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Grant Barrett
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Digital timepieces may be changing the way we talk, at least a little. There's Bob o'clock (8:08), Big o'clock (8:19), and even Pi o'clock. Also this week, what do you call that gesture with your fingers when you want to make an image larger on a multitouch screen? In other words, what is the opposite of a pinch? Does anyone use the expression fat chance any more? And do the expressions graveyard shift, saved by the bell, and dead ringer has anything to do with weird Victorian burial practices?
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As members of the know, the expression "Bob o'clock" means, "It's 8:08!" The hosts discuss this and other silly ways to tell time inspired by the boxy numbers on a digital clock.
What's the word for the gesture you make with your fingers when you want to make an image larger on an iPhone? Unpinch? Fwoop?
A Wisconsin man says he learned an expression that sounds like quixibar from his father to describe something confusing or befuddling. But he's never heard anyone else use it. Is it unique to his family?
Does anyone use the expression fat chance anymore?
Quiz Guy Greg Pliska has a puzzle about heteronyms, words that have the same spelling, but different meanings, like "moped" as in "acted glum" and "moped" as in a motorized bike.
A San Diego caller wonders about the expression a-gogo, as in the name of a local restaurant, . Where'd it come from?
You look like death eatin' a cracker walkin' backwards. In Appalachia, this phrase means, "you look terrible." A caller wants to know its origin.
A Dallas listener is struck by the fact that Texans talk about East Texas, North Texas, South Texas, and West Texas. So why, she wonders, do people in other states say things like Southern Indiana and Northern California?
Grant talks about his daily work as a lexicographer.
A Wellesley College student has been reading about the Victorian fear of being buried alive—also known as taphophobia—and the bizarre 19th-century burial practices associated with it. She's heard that they gave rise to such expressions as dead ringer, graveyard shift, and saved by the bell. Martha and Grant debunk those linguistic myths.
Here's a cool article about those
A listener in Buford, Georgia, says his mother's maiden name was Barnett, and reports that he was told that the addition of an "e" to a last name was once an indication that the person was descended from slave families.
Why do physicians speak of turfing an undesirable patient?
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6:00PM
May-01-10
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Ron Draney
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Grant Barrett said:
Digital timepieces may be changing the way we talk, at least a little. There's Bob o'clock (8:08), Big o'clock (8:19), and even Pi o'clock.
A couple of years ago, I was trying to get to sleep in a room where the only source of light was the glowing LEDs on the face of my digital alarm clock. Opened my eyes at one point and noticed that the room had grown considerably darker since I had closed them, and turning around to check the time discovered it was 1:11 am. Aha, I thought to myself, that's the darkest this room ever gets.
I then lay awake for the better part of an hour working out when the same clock would be at its brightest.
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9:48PM
May-01-10
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Phil
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From the ipod touch manual… "Pinch your fingers together or apart." Apparently, in the view of Apple, the motion is a pinch and the direction is needing to be specified. I suppose this is like walking is assumed to be forward, but a person can walk backward.
I think we need a new word. How about 'Chnip'?
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12:55AM
May-02-10
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Ron Draney
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Microsoft Word uses "indent" for moving the left margin in by some distance, and the reverse (moving the margin out) is called "undent".
The analogy is clear; if "pinch" means to move the fingertips closer together, the act of moving them apart must be "punch".
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1:31PM
May-02-10
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In the same episode, there was a discussion of "turf" as in "turfing a patient to another physician." I'm not sure I buy the "turf out" explanation given by the hosts given the context. In the same medical context, there is often a discussion of "turf" with the sense of "territory." Radiologists, for example, claim medical imaging as their "turf." And there are often long battles over who owns the domain as new specialties take on the tools of their trade. Who owns a the patient's cholesterol level, is that the Primary Care Doc's or the Cardiologist's turf?
Given that common usage, I wonder if the idea of "turfing a patient" is more about moving a patient to another doctor's territory, more than it is a link to the ancient ideas of landing or kicking out.
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6:03AM
May-03-10
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We use Stretch as the opposite of Pinch in that context.
We also use Outdent, rejecting the documented Undent. — undent would be the action of reversing a previous x-dent action, returning the text to its default margin.
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7:18PM
May-04-10
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John Herzog
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Grant Barrett said:
A Dallas listener is struck by the fact that Texans talk about East Texas, North Texas, South Texas, and West Texas. So why, she wonders, do people in other states say things like Southern Indiana and Northern California?
There are actually five areas of Texas: North Texas, East Texas, West Texas, South Texas, and Central Texas. They are usually described by the cities in the areas, but do also to the geography of the regions. East Texas is east of Interstate 45 and is a forested region. West Texas is west of San Marcos and is arid and has some elevation changes. South Texas is south of San Antonio. North Texas is the Dallas area and north. Central Texas is east of San Marcos, west of the Interstate 45 corridor, north of San Antonio, and south of the Dallas area (starting around Hillsboro). Interesting trivia: It was in the Texas State Constitution (pre-Civil War) that it could be broken into four different states, and we have had some recent representatives still trying to get it to happen.
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1:19PM
May-05-10
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John Herzog said:
Grant Barrett said:
A Dallas listener is struck by the fact that Texans talk about East Texas, North Texas, South Texas, and West Texas. So why, she wonders, do people in other states say things like Southern Indiana and Northern California?
There are actually five areas of Texas: North Texas, East Texas, West Texas, South Texas, and Central Texas. They are usually described by the cities in the areas, but do also to the geography of the regions.
Is Houston in East Texas or South Texas? Or is it just it's own region?
Anyway, the caller mentioned northern and southern New Mexico. I grew up in Roswell, in southeastern New Mexico, home to the Eastern New Mexico Regional Fair (and we got out of school every year for the parade on the first day).
But now I live in Southeast Michigan (not southeastern). We have a regional authority called the Southeast Michigan Council of Governments. And the other side of the state is referred to as West Michigan – not western Michigan. But head north? Then you end up in Northern Michigan (which – as far as I can figure out, but I'm not a native – usually refers to the northern lower peninsula, not the upper peninsula). I've never heard the phrase North Michigan!
Not sure how this fits into the rule of thumb Martha and Grant gave on the show, but it's a data point for consideration. :^)
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2:04PM
May-05-10
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spaltor
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Grant Barrett said:
A Dallas listener is struck by the fact that Texans talk about East Texas, North Texas, South Texas, and West Texas. So why, she wonders, do people in other states say things like Southern Indiana and Northern California?
Along with the other states mentioned, this construction is also used in New Jersey. North Jersey, Central Jersey, and South Jersey are all specific regions. It's not "northern Jersey", and definitely not "North New Jersey."
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5:09PM
May-05-10
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Jennifer
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I was really interested in the discussion of a gogo. I was wondering if there was a possibility of a relationship with the instrument "agogo." This is a West African instrument that spread through slavery to the New World, especially Brazil. It retains its name in several former colonies of Portugal, Spain, Britain, and France. It's used to this day in the big carnival celebrations in Brazil and throughout the Caribbean. It is two bells connected by a u-shaped wire and played with a stick.
The reason this connection came to mind is related to the album by the jazz musician Stan Getz. It was recorded at the Cafe Au Go Go in Greenwich Village and also featured the Brazilian singer Astrud Gilberto. The music they were playing is bossa nova, which is based on Brazilian carnival samba.
When Grant mentioned the idea that there is a "festival" connotation to "à gogo" in French, my thought immediately went to carnival, originally a European celebration.
Does anyone think that there might be a relationship or a modern reinforcement of connotations between these words or is this just a coincidence?
By the way, it's no surprise that the name of a French club (or gogo dancers) would become popular in the US in the 60s and 70s. This is exactly when clubs modeled on the French "discothèques" led to the creation of "disco" clubs and music in the US.
On an unrelated point, I always thought that the state "compass-point" directions were regional to the south. I grew up in the area that included West, East and Middle (not Central) Tennessee, North Mississippi, etc. When I moved the East coast the "Eastern Shore" and "Western Maryland" sounded like an affectation until I got used to it.
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7:06PM
May-05-10
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Grant Barrett said:
A Wellesley College student has been reading about the Victorian fear of being buried alive—also known as taphophobia—and the bizarre 19th-century burial practices associated with it.
Mark Twain touched on this in :
"Around a finger of each of these fifty still forms, both great and small, was a ring; and from the ring a wire led to the ceiling, and thence to a bell in a watch-room yonder, where, day and night, a watchman sits always alert and ready to spring to the aid of any of that pallid company who, waking out of death, shall make a movement– for any, even the slightest, movement will twitch the wire and ring that fearful bell."
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12:36AM
May-06-10
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Like Death Eating a Cracker – My take would be that crackers are a classic remedy for nausea. Something you eat when you can't keep anything down, as in morning or motion sickness. So looking like "death eating a cracker" would mean you look not only near death but nauseous as well. Not good.
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3:19PM
May-06-10
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spaltor said:
Grant Barrett said:
A Dallas listener is struck by the fact that Texans talk about East Texas, North Texas, South Texas, and West Texas. So why, she wonders, do people in other states say things like Southern Indiana and Northern California?
Along with the other states mentioned, this construction is also used in New Jersey. North Jersey, Central Jersey, and South Jersey are all specific regions. It's not "northern Jersey", and definitely not "North New Jersey."
I was going to post about "North Jersey" etc. too. However, while it is true that no one says "northern Jersey," people do say "northern New Jersey". In fact, I'd say that's the more formal form, whereas "North Jersey," while very common, seems more casual to me.
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11:47PM
May-06-10
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Post edited 11:48PM – May-06-10 by wordelf
This is about "unpinching." What about simply saying "poutch?"
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1:10AM
May-07-10
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wordelf
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Like death eating a cracker:
Two other phrases come to mind, similar in that they involve food and death, but different in that in these expressions, death is not the eater but the eaten:
1. "You look like death warmed over."
2. "How do you feel?" "Like death on toast."
I agree with Elysia that these phrases connote queasiness, or that strange, hollow feeling your stomach may get when you have been deprived of sleep. #2 was a pretty common expression at Valparaiso U. in Indiana when I was there (6 years ago) between people commiserating about staying up way too late writing papers. "Death warmed over" just sounds nauseous– at least, it makes me think of someone using the iffy leftovers that have been languishing in the fridge; by analogy, the person you say this to looks like he or she is but tenuously alive, or like a walking stiff.
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3:52PM
May-07-10
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David T
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There is also East, West, and Middle Tennessee
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12:43AM
May-08-10
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Ron Draney
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Stepping across the border, we find the first line of Neil Young's "Helpless":
There is a town in north Ontario
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12:42PM
May-08-10
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Post edited 12:43PM – May-08-10 by dickermn
Regarding the pinching gestures on Apple touch devices, their developer documentation uses more specific terminology:
Most places use "pinch open" to refer to the gesture, such as with the …
pinch open A two-finger user gesture used to zoom in. To pinch open, users place the thumb and a finger (or two fingers) close together on the iPhone screen and move them apart without lifting them from the screen. Compare pinch close.
The one variant I found was "pinch-out" as mentioned in the (used by most applications to implement scrolling, pinching, rotating, and such)…
A scroll view also handles zooming and panning of content. As the user makes a pinch-in or pinch-out gesture, the scroll view adjusts the offset and the scale of the content.
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4:38PM
May-09-10
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ggurman said:
spaltor said:
Grant Barrett said:
A Dallas listener is struck by the fact that Texans talk about East Texas, North Texas, South Texas, and West Texas. So why, she wonders, do people in other states say things like Southern Indiana and Northern California?
Along with the other states mentioned, this construction is also used in New Jersey. North Jersey, Central Jersey, and South Jersey are all specific regions. It's not "northern Jersey", and definitely not "North New Jersey."
I was going to post about "North Jersey" etc. too. However, while it is true that no one says "northern Jersey," people do say "northern New Jersey". In fact, I'd say that's the more formal form, whereas "North Jersey," while very common, seems more casual to me.
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4:41PM
May-09-10
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In New York State, while we don't say East New York, for example, we do say Central New York, which includes primarily Syracuse, but also Utica to a lesser extent. I'm from Dayton, OH and there I would say I was from "southwest Ohio", which included Dayton and Cincinnati 40 miles to the south.
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11:28AM
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Post edited 11:30AM – May-12-10 by iancorey
Quixotic, referring to the bumbling, unpredictable and often times relentless manner of Don Quixote was the first thing that came to my mind when I heard the call about "quixibar."
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5:01PM
May-12-10
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Wikipedia reports "the state of Tennessee is geographically and constitutionally divided into three Grand Divisions: East Tennessee, Middle Tennessee, and West Tennessee." Highway signs used to say "Welcome to the three states of Tennessee." A few years ago the decision was made to de-emphasize the three states idea in the interest of unity. (None of this takes into account "upper East Tennessee" another well known division.)
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11:23PM
May-12-10
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Grant Barrett said:
Big o'clock (8:19),
Isn't that 8:16?
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12:15AM
May-13-10
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Ron Draney
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mclarevds said:
Grant Barrett said:
Big o'clock (8:19),
Isn't that 8:16?
Think lowercase "g".
By the way, on last weekend's episode of "The Simpsons", Moe mentions in a voiceover that he moved to Springfield "because the zip code spells 'boobs' on a calculator". Since 80085 is not a zip code currently in use, I can only assume he meant upside-down on a calculator, which would make Springfield identical with Barney, North Dakota (58008).
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9:57AM
May-13-10
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wordelf said:
Like death eating a cracker:
Two other phrases come to mind, similar in that they involve food and death, but different in that in these expressions, death is not the eater but the eaten:
1. "You look like death warmed over."
2. "How do you feel?" "Like death on toast."
I agree with Elysia that these phrases connote queasiness, or that strange, hollow feeling your stomach may get when you have been deprived of sleep. #2 was a pretty common expression at Valparaiso U. in Indiana when I was there (6 years ago) between people commiserating about staying up way too late writing papers. "Death warmed over" just sounds nauseous– at least, it makes me think of someone using the iffy leftovers that have been languishing in the fridge; by analogy, the person you say this to looks like he or she is but tenuously alive, or like a walking stiff.
I've always been fond of the expletive "Christ on a Biscuit!", though I have no idea where I picked it up.
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4:06PM
May-13-10
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Michael
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iancorey said:
Quixotic, referring to the bumbling, unpredictable and often times relentless manner of Don Quixote was the first thing that came to my mind when I heard the call about "quixibar."
Interesting, I never even thought about that. I convinced myself it was a family thing that I didn't think much about literary influences. Thanks for the suggestion. (I'm the caller btw).
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5:20AM
May-22-10
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John Greene
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Grant Barrett said:
A Dallas listener is struck by the fact that Texans talk about East Texas, North Texas, South Texas, and West Texas. So why, she wonders, do people in other states say things like Southern Indiana and Northern California?
Here in Georgia it's always "North Georgia", "South Georgia", etc. We would never say "northern Georgia" or "southern Georgia". In this case the "north" and "south" do imply specific *kinds* of places. When we say "North Georgia", it often means "up there in the mountains", as in, "They're going camping in North Georgia somewhere," or, "They have a cabin in North Georgia". On the other hand, "South Georgia" conjures images of lots of flat, empty space, and lots of pecan trees. Not sure that the west and east parts of the state are so distinctive, but we definitely say "West Georgia". There's even a "West Georgia College".
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8:41AM
May-25-10
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Shelterdogg
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So, why is Northern California actually in central California? San Francisco, commonly considered Northern California, is about 400+ miles from the Northern border of the state.
John Greene said:
Grant Barrett said:
A Dallas listener is struck by the fact that Texans talk about East Texas, North Texas, South Texas, and West Texas. So why, she wonders, do people in other states say things like Southern Indiana and Northern California?
Here in Georgia it's always "North Georgia", "South Georgia", etc. We would never say "northern Georgia" or "southern Georgia". In this case the "north" and "south" do imply specific *kinds* of places. When we say "North Georgia", it often means "up there in the mountains", as in, "They're going camping in North Georgia somewhere," or, "They have a cabin in North Georgia". On the other hand, "South Georgia" conjures images of lots of flat, empty space, and lots of pecan trees. Not sure that the west and east parts of the state are so distinctive, but we definitely say "West Georgia". There's even a "West Georgia College".
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6:57PM
May-26-10
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Grant Barrett said:
Does anyone use the expression fat chance anymore?
Besides saying FAT CHANCE I also say "A fat lot of good that will do me…" when of course, whatever it is will do me absolutely no good whatsoever, but YES, Ii say Fat Chance all the time.
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3:01PM
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I had understood "Death eating a soda cracker" referred to the pallor of death coupled with an icon of whiteness, the cracker. Thus, a person extremely pale with an illness could be compared to this.
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6:42PM
Jul-12-10
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John Herzog
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camelsamba said:
John Herzog said:
Grant Barrett said:
A Dallas listener is struck by the fact that Texans talk about East Texas, North Texas, South Texas, and West Texas. So why, she wonders, do people in other states say things like Southern Indiana and Northern California?
There are actually five areas of Texas: North Texas, East Texas, West Texas, South Texas, and Central Texas. They are usually described by the cities in the areas, but do also to the geography of the regions.
Is Houston in East Texas or South Texas? Or is it just it's own region?
Anyway, the caller mentioned northern and southern New Mexico. I grew up in Roswell, in southeastern New Mexico, home to the Eastern New Mexico Regional Fair (and we got out of school every year for the parade on the first day).
But now I live in Southeast Michigan (not southeastern). We have a regional authority called the Southeast Michigan Council of Governments. And the other side of the state is referred to as West Michigan – not western Michigan. But head north? Then you end up in Northern Michigan (which – as far as I can figure out, but I'm not a native – usually refers to the northern lower peninsula, not the upper peninsula). I've never heard the phrase North Michigan!
Not sure how this fits into the rule of thumb Martha and Grant gave on the show, but it's a data point for consideration. :^)
Houston is in East Texas.
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2:05PM
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Michael said:
iancorey said:
Quixotic, referring to the bumbling, unpredictable and often times relentless manner of Don Quixote was the first thing that came to my mind when I heard the call about "quixibar."
Interesting, I never even thought about that. I convinced myself it was a family thing that I didn't think much about literary influences. Thanks for the suggestion. (I'm the caller btw).
IMHO, "That's a quixibar" is just a fun (probably intentional) variation of "That's a question mark", which is just another way to say "I don't have an answer for that"
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6:35AM
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mullenfam said:
…I wonder if the idea of "turfing a patient" is more about moving a patient to another doctor's territory, more than it is a link to the ancient ideas of landing or kicking out.
No such conspiracy.
My medical colleague (or her husband) mistakenly interprets her usage of the term. It simply comes from the initialism cum acronym, "TRF" (and phoneticaly pronounced as "turf"), which of course is short for transfer or transferred, eg, patient TRF to a medical floor, or, TRF to the care of another doc, etc.
Just catching up on older episodes … love the podcast, thanks!
/p.
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8:24AM
Apr-24-11
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I imagine that among poor folk in the past, crackers were dry, hard things. The way I've eaten a dry, hard cracker is to hold it between my teeth for a minute, allowing moist breath and saliva to soften it before biting off a piece. Thus, clenched teeth (common among the dying) plus a drawn, pale face would amount to a skull-like appearance. A body walking backwards would mimic a body being lowered into a grave.
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11:15AM
Apr-28-11
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My word opposite the screen "pinch" is "spread" which is what you do with your fingers on the screen.
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