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7:02AM
Apr-23-09


Grant Barrett

San Diego, California

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This week, we're going through the e-mail bag. Here's a savory, sensuous one. It's from Stacey in Boulder, Colorado.

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Stacey grew up out West, but says she spent summers and Christmases at the home of her maternal grandparents, just north of New York City.

"This side of my family," she writes, "is unapologetically Italian. For me, a highlight of every visit was the night of arrival. My grandma would welcome us home with a big pot of gravy. After the day-long trip to get there, Stacey writes, "nothing was more comforting or restoring than walking into a Grandma-sized hug, and a house positively perfumed with the sweet, heady scent of garlic and tomatoes."

Now, about that pot of gravy, she writes: "In Colorado, or anywhere else I've been, it's called marinara sauce. Outside of my family, I have never heard the word gravy used to describe anything other than the brown gravy you put on a turkey at Thanksgiving." And, she says, "Hearing the word gravy used in this way evokes just as much warmth and contentment as the smell or taste of the gravy itself. I can almost feel my grandmother's bone-crushing hug swallowing me up once again."

Stacey wants to know: Is gravy just her own family's weird word for tomato-based sauce? Or is there anyone else out there who understands what she calls "the intimate, emotional, have-some-macaroni coziness behind this seemingly simple term."

Stacey, you'll be pleased to know that lots and lots of people refer to this stuff as gravy. In fact, this kind of gravy made an appearance in an episode of the HBO series The Sopranos. A member of the mob in New Jersey goes to Italy. He dines out in Naples. But he can't find what he wants on the menu. .

So, using the word "gravy" in this way isn't unique one family. But I must add an important word of caution: Many Italian-Americans do call it "gravy," but others are adamant—and I do mean adamant—about calling it "sauce." In fact, you can find some amazingly heated debates online about which is the correct term. In Italian, the word sugo can mean either "sauce" or "gravy." It may be that some Italian immigrants translated it into one English word, while those in other communities used a different English translation.

So, pasta lovers: Which is it? Sauce or gravy? Let us know. We'd also like to what other odd food names evoke vivid sensory memories for you. And, as always, we welcome your thoughts about any aspect of language. Our address is .


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9:41AM
Apr-24-09


kseaston

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In our family, it is definitely sauce. Our Italian connection is by way of Sicily. My dad stayed out of the kitchen, except when it was time to make sauce. He would then don the apron I made him, and put everything together without measuring. His sauce was always a family favorite.

10:02AM
Apr-24-09


Glenn

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For us it was always sauce. But we know a few "gravy" families. Even among them there is a minor disagreement. Some say it is "gravy" when meat based, but "sauce" when veggie; others insist it is "gravy" despite the lack.

9:22PM
Apr-28-09


nonalee

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When I started dating the man who would become my husband, his Italian grandmother (from Salerno, near Naples) invited me to dinner at her house for "macaroons and gravy." I was a shy young girl of Irish-German descent who grew up on meat, taters, and two veggies for dinner, so I was dumbstruck at her invitation. I politely accepted, wondering why on earth Grandma would prepare such a weird dinner. To my delight, she had made spaghetti and meatballs! It was a terrific dinner, and over time, she taught me to make everything from gravy (northern Italian style) to broccoli rabe to beans and greens to gnocchi. I loved Grandma and miss her still.

I love this radio show and enjoyed this posting in particular.

9:54AM
May-03-09


madbadger2742

Michigan

Member

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In the "Good Eats" episode titled "Gravy Confidential," Alton Brown declares:

"Now I hate to be legalistic, but the 1962 edition of The Joy of Cooking is quite clear: 'a gravy without meat drippings is nothing more than a sauce.'"

And I must agree. A gravy isn't gravy without meat. Whenever I have heard the word "gravy" applied to a tomato sauce, it was always in reference to a meat sauce, e.g. ragù alla bolognese. In my mind, marinara is a sauce, as it is not only meatless, but practically vegan. :)

Caveat: To my knowledge, there is no Italian blood in my family, and I have never lived in an Italian area, so I speak type as a straniero