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11:03AM Dec-05-09
| Grant Barrett
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Post edited 4:26PM – Dec-08-09 by Grant Barrett
In high school, no one thinks twice about cheering for the Fighting Trojans or the Tigers. But what about the Hickman Kewpies? Or the Maryville Spoofhounds? Martha and Grant talk about some of the odder names for school athletic teams. Also, in this episode: If you're queasy, are you nauseous or nauseated? How do you pronounce the word sorry? And why do conservative Democrats call themselves Blue Dogs?
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Grant and Martha discuss strange names for high school sports teams. Know another example? Talk about it in the forum.
How do you pronounce the word sorry? SORE-ee? SAHR-ee? A Connecticut woman says her family pronounces this word four different ways, and is hoping her way is correct.
Is there a name for those vocal sound we make when shrugging our shoulders or wordlessly affirming something with an "mm-hm"?
Quiz Guy John Chaneski has a puzzle called "There's An App For That." The challenge is to guess what new word is formed by tacking the letters A-P-P on to another one. For example, what new word appears when you add A-P-P to the word that means "a soothing balm or salve."
How'd we get the term colorblind, and when it did come to be mean "indifferent to race"?
Really??? Really! A college student in Provo, Utah, says he's hearing this expression of sarcastic incredulity more and more—even catching himself saying this to his cellphone when it dropped a call. He suspects it comes from Saturday Night Live. Does it? Really? Here's a great example of that show's use of the expression.
A Connecticut cop says his dad, a retired professor of English and comparative literature at Yale, has been reading his son's police reports. They disagree about whether complainant is a legitimate word, or whether it should be complainer.
Here's a riddle: "I'm weightless, but you can see me. Put me in a bucket, and I'll make it lighter. What am I?" Martha has the answer.
Grant shares online sites that can help you solve a difficult crossword puzzle or anagram words to help you get the highest scores in Scrabble. WordNavigator and Wordsmith.org's anagram server.
A veteranian says her colleague insists that nauseous means "contagious." Is that right? And if you're queasy, are you nauseous or nauseated?
A Burlington, Vt. man says his mother and grandmother used the expression journey proud to denote being restless, nervous, or excited, especially on the eve of an upcoming trip.
"I'll be there at three-ish." "That shirt is bluish." "It wasn't a house—but it was house-ish." OK, but what in the world does ish mean, exactly?
Conservative Democrats are sometimes called Blue Dog Democrats. Grant explains why. Check out the work of George Rodrigue, the Blue Dog artist.
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2:12PM Dec-05-09
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I lived in Hamilton, Ontario for a few years and worked at McMaster University. Their championship water polo team was the Bators and the women's team, the Lady Bators. Seriously, just imagine the crowd cheering on the McMaster Bators. It was always good for a laugh…
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2:28PM Dec-05-09
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The teams for my junior high were the Broncos. High school was the Fighting Colts. College was the Mustangs.
In a small town, sources of inspiration were somewhat limited.
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2:44PM Dec-05-09
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Haven't heard the episode yet, but I do hope the "ish" discussion mentions Jonathan Miller. We've been talking recently on alt.usage.english about the time he was asked "are you a Jew?" and he replied "well, Jew-ish".
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5:51AM Dec-07-09
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Post edited 12:09PM – Dec-07-09 by Glenn
My high school's mascot is the pelican. I've never heard tell of another school with the pelican as a mascot. The sports teams never pressed the pelican into active service. I suspect they greatly hoped that opposing teams assumed we had no mascot.
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7:08AM Dec-07-09
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Post edited 1:24PM – Dec-07-09 by navarre
Grant Barrett said:
In high school, no one thinks twice about cheering for the Fighting Trojans or the Tigers. But what about the Hickman Kewpies? Or the Maryville Spoofhounds? Martha and Grant talk about some of the odder names for school athletic teams.
My high school was the Danville Warriors but one of the powerhouse teams in Hendricks County, Indiana was the Plainfield Fighting Quakers! They tried to change it but always went back to Fighting Quakers. I don't think Gary Cooper would have approved of their version of "Friendly Persuasion."
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10:23AM Dec-07-09
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High school team names: Oredockers, Rails, Eskimos, Hilltoppers, Hurricanes, Yellow Jackets
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5:37PM Dec-07-09
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My high school was the Danville Warriors but one of the powerhouse teams in Hendricks County, Indiana was the Plainfield Fighting Quakers!
Navarre, the Fighting Quakers are going to be hard to beat!
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9:11AM Dec-08-09
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My favorite team name I have ever heard was from a high school not too far from where I grew up. They are known as The Blooming Prairie Awesome Blossoms.
Now my high school at one time, according to what I understand was known as the Faribault Ferries. I'm not exactly sure how they got that name, as I don't think you could get a ferry up or down the rive we had running through our town, but I am glad they changed it, if this were a true story.
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11:03AM Dec-08-09
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I don't think you could get a ferry up or down the rive we had running through our town
How about a ferry going across the river?
Emmett
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9:00PM Dec-08-09
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My hometown had a great team name "The Kilowatts". The small Minnesota town of Granite Falls (around 3500 people) had a power plant with it's own mascot, Reddy Kilowatt. Here's a great link:
http://www.reddykilowatt.org/2…..kilowatts/
I have a great affinity for this name, although the "Fighting Quakers" is really hard to beat!
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2:44AM Dec-09-09
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Ruhlly.
I was disappointed when, mid-HS, I had to move from the Lyons Township HS Lions to the Kirkwood Pioneers. Yeah, Pioneers are hard workers and brave and all, but it's just not got that fighting image, you know? So I went off to college as the Boilermakers. (Before the drink was invented.) More hard workers, though I guess they had a brawl now and again.
But, Really, I wanted to write in about Really!?!
I was amazed to learn that SNL had "started" Really!?! Sure enough, Googling it, I was soon listening to Seth & Amy talking about Larry Craig and Elliott Spitzer. Really!?!
The reason I was so surprised at SNL (showing my dearth of SNL views since the golden years of Chevy Chase, Dan Aykroyd, and John Belushi) is that I learned Really?!? from my manager, a rabid South Park fan. (Yes, it switched from Really!?! to Really?!?)
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3:14AM Dec-09-09
| Bill 5
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Post edited 9:30AM – Dec-09-09 by Bill 5
I see SNL's weekend update doing Really!?! from October 2006 with Seth and Amy. Wikipedia says Really!?! was introduced in the 2006-2007 season, but not exactly when. The same month, South Park ran their "Mystery of the Urinal Deuce" episode (10/11/06). That's where Kyle is told, by the President, the real truth behind 9/11, and then behind the 9/11 conspiracy theories. All he can manage is Really?!? Really??!!??? Using it in the same exact way as Seth & Amy, except just the pure incredulity listening to explanations, rather than describing behavior and adding Really!?! (Kyle's goes way up in tone, going up into high falsetto voice about mid-first-syllable, while Seth & Amy's Reallys mostly end down, like followed by a period.
So that's where *I* got it. Perhaps the amazing Tina Fey did it first, though I haven't found it Googling. The first reference I've found so far is after she left and Seth started doing Weekend Update with Amy in 2006.
For the last three years, whenever discussing stupid politics, upper management decisions, or other sources of incredulity at idiocy, we've used Kyle's Really?!??.
Well, either it was grand coincidence, or one of them stole it from the other immediately.
And, whatever happened to Moon Unit Zappa and the Valley Girl "Ruh-lly."?
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10:33AM Dec-09-09
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EmmettRedd said:
I don't think you could get a ferry up or down the rive we had running through our town
How about a ferry going across the river?
Emmett
The river was only like 12 feet wide at the most, so I'm gonna have to guess that there was no ferry going back and forth on the river either.
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4:34PM Dec-09-09
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In response to "journey proud" (love it, by the way) I had 2 thoughts.
One is the term I use for what I get before a trip…not so much about the anticipation and excitement (although that's part of it) as the agitation that goes with that horrible nagging feeling that I've forgotten to take care of something important or will forget the tickets or something. I call it a "trip tizzy".
The other thing "journey proud" reminded me of was, my friend's description of it… it's the adult equivalent of a child with his bags packed, jacket on, sititng and bouncing up and down on the end of the bed just waiting for tomorrow's leave-taking.
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6:47PM Dec-10-09
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Post edited 2:19AM – Dec-11-09 by Glenn
I remember when a nimrod meant a great and powerful hunter. It was taken from the name of a biblical figure who had great prowess. Then Bugs Bunny, if I recall correctly, started using it mockingly toward Elmer Fudd. Perhaps it was even the Wagner opera hunting scene, but I wouldn't swear to it.
I suspect the sports team was considering the earlier, more classical meaning.
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Hm. Somebody named Grant Barrett blogged this recently:
Nimrod according to Barrett
December 7, 2009
Nimrod
Today’s word of the day is nimrod. Most Americans today know it only as an insult meaning “jerk” or “loser,” but it has also historically meant “skillful hunter.” That meaning comes from Nimrod, explained in the Bible as a mighty hunter, king of Shinar, grandson of Ham, a great-grandson of Noah. The newer, less-kind meaning probably comes from the phrase “poor little Nimrod,” used by the cartoon character Bugs Bunny to mock the hapless hunter Elmer Fudd. The reference passed by a lot of cartoon-viewers and they interpreted it as an insult they’d never heard before.
Filed under: Word of the Day — Tags: bug bunny, hunter, insult, nimrod, Word of the Day — Grant Barrett @ 2:00 am
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7:50AM Dec-11-09
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Proud There's a nautical term "high and proud". Never having seen it defined yet having grown up around the water, I'd suggest that it means riding high in the water especially bow-high and making way. The impression would be that that craft is somehow attempting to climb out of the water akin to rising on a plane yet the term has been around since sailing ship days. They were far from being able to get on a plane. For you "fresh water Yankees", we are not talking about airplanes.
That for the show.
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8:16AM Dec-11-09
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Speaking of sports team names: it is the Timberwolves; why is it the Maple Leafs (sic)? Webster permits leafs — several others make no mention of leafs — but I can't think of a context other than the team where leafs would be acceptable in writing as the plural of the noun.
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8:03AM Dec-15-09
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While I was listening to the podcast, I wondered if "uh-huh" and "nuh-uh" or "uh-uh" could be considered tonal.
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10:41AM Dec-18-09
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My intimidating high school teams: North East Grape Pickers.
My intimidating college teams: Carnegie Mellon University Tartans.
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9:59PM Dec-21-09
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I grew up in Mishawaka, IN home of the CAVEMEN. (Originally the Maroons- school colors maroon & white, ages ago a local pundit commented likened our football team to a bunch of cavemen.) I've never heard it used elsewhere.
Logansport IN, home of the Logan Berries. (But the mascot is a Felix the cat cartoon character.)
And of course, Purdue University- home of the Boilermakers (not the drink).
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7:11AM Dec-27-09
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There is a word in German for the state of excitement before journey: "Reisefieber", or literally "travel fever".
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8:42AM Dec-27-09
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tatiana.larina said:
There is a word in German for the state of excitement before journey: "Reisefieber", or literally "travel fever".
This word can actually be of Germanic origin, as it can also be found in the Scandinavian languages (reisefeber in Norwegian, resfeber in Swedish, rejsefeber in Danish). It is also common in Finnish: matkakuume (matka = travel, kuume = fever), probably a translation from Swedish. Google knows it also in French – fièvre de voyage – although rare & used rather by the Belgians than the French.
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12:50AM Feb-06-10
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I'm a little late posting this, but the Fighting Quakers may have a religious rival in my high school's team, the Popes. (Really. Pius XI High, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.) It was always pretty embarrassing to cheer for them, but the mental picture of football-playing pontiffs is pretty funny. Better yet, when girls' teams were finally added in the 70's, they actually got named the Lady Popes!
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9:09AM Jun-28-10
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How is using online generators cheating, when the option is plainly available between both parties? Unless it is listed specifically in the rules that online generators or otherwise assistance (such as a paper dictionary), isn't it merely an implied social rule — and therefore NOT a genuine rule? When the option is plainly available to both competitors and isn't noted in the rules specifically, how can't it be considered cheating except only by suggestion or as a hold-over/honor-code from another similar game that forbids it?
I most often found myself "journey proud" the night before a new school year or college semester began, the night I need to get good rest to be bright and awake to take in all the new surroundings, but the anticipation of the next day obstructed calming down enough to taper off to sleep.
I often say SERIOUSLY?! to myself or whatever malfunctioning device I am frustrated by, in the same context of the really sentiment. I enjoyed the SNL segment but had heard it used years upon years prior so I know that was not the origin of the usage — it's a bit of a sarcastic bit of snark spat by many a teenager in my high school days ('92-'96) in north Texas. I think the use the phrase by Tina/Seth/Amy made it more of a pop-culture confirmation that the phrase is alive and had thus, at that point, been legitimized by use on national media.
I am encountering a similar problem with attempting to locate the origin of the phrase (which varies to minor degrees), "I am 12, and what is this?" that I had seen used on 4chan long before the commonly accepted origin that most meme sites describe. As part of a 4chan raid on YouTube, users began registering random accounts and uploading pornographic film clips but giving them titles like "Jonas Brothers" and "Miley Cyrus" and setting them to private so they wouldn't be seen yet, until one specific attack day when all of the videos would simultaneously be set to public. The BBC made a video article about the issue, the reporter covering noting that one of the pornographic videos she found, as evidence that children were viewing the material, a comment stated, "I am 12, and what is this?" The phrase had already been in use with some frequency on 4chan for no fewer than 3 months prior to the raid and was already an established meme by then. The fact that the BBC thought it was an actual comment is what made the article so funny, and what made the article so widely distributed — however, most meme-origin sites cites the BBC article as the actual origin of the phrase, that its use specifically mocks or refers to the BBC article, which is utterly untrue. There were several 255+comment threads on 4chan around the time the article came out about how the BBC got trolled into thinking the "I am 12 and what is this" was an actual 12 year old wondering what the material was, expressing the event as a major victory for 4chan's raid efforts.
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11:51AM Jun-29-10
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Post edited 11:52AM – Jun-29-10 by lux rationis
Ken Mohnkern said:
My intimidating high school teams: North East Grape Pickers.
My intimidating college teams: Carnegie Mellon University Tartans.
It seems like there is a North-South divide in terms of mascot fearsomeness factor. When I went to school in Arizona, the Wildcats and the Sun Devils were the menacing college rivals. Here in Oregon it's the Ducks and the Beavers…yeah…nothing strikes fear in the hearts of competitors like the prospect of doing battle with pond fauna.
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5:14PM Jun-29-10
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Post edited 5:16PM – Jun-29-10 by lux rationis
There seems to a suspicious thread of commonality between the Kewpies and the Spoofhounds. According to this summary on Public School Review (http://www.publicschoolreview……l_id/46866), the name "Spoofhounds" originated with one L.E. Ziegler, a football coach at Maryville who later became Superintendent of Public Schools for the Columbia School District. Two schools in Missouri with early 20th-century doll names for mascots…one educator who was influential in both districts…coincidence?
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10:27PM Jun-29-10
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On "colorblind" meaning "indifferent to race, gender, politics, etc":
A term sometimes heard in my line of work (IT) is "agnostic". This refers to a feature or program designed to work regardless of the user's operating system, programming language, or other features of their environment that might be expected to matter.
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9:37AM Jul-02-10
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Lux, thanks for these. I hadn't thought about a possible North-South divide. Clearly, further research is needed!
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10:43AM Sep-28-10
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sciencedude said:
I grew up in Mishawaka, IN home of the CAVEMEN. (Originally the Maroons- school colors maroon & white, ages ago a local pundit commented likened our football team to a bunch of cavemen.) I've never heard it used elsewhere.
The high school in Carlsbad, New Mexico – known for the nearby National Park – has Cavemen for its mascot. Also, Hannibal Missouri has a minor league team with that name (connection to local tourist attraction, Tom Sawyer's cave).
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7:07AM Jun-22-11
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In high school we were the Wahawks, which was a combination of our city name "Waterloo" and our county name "Black Hawk". Our actual symbol was just a "W" with a feather, but what I think is really interesting is that our school colors were Old Rose and Black. It is the only school I know of with Old Rose as one of it's colors, which made it difficult to pick what exactly the color should be. (anything from maroon to magenta, from mauve to pale pink)
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