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Do you know where your participle is dangling? Martha and Grant salute National Grammar Day on March 4. Also, when you’re scribbling on a piece of paper, do you find yourself expecting spellcheck to kick in and underline your misspellings with squiggly red lines? A caller wants a term for the act of trying to do offline what can only be done online.
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Let’s see…there’s National Cheese Day on January 20 and of course National Iguana Awareness Day on September 8. So it’s only fitting that good grammar should get a day of its own, too. National Grammar Day has been proclaimed for March 4 by the the Society for the Promotion of Good Grammar, an organization for those “who crave good, clean English – sentences cast well and punctuated correctly.” The group’s site, sums it up this way: “It’s about clarity.”
Martha and Grant are down with that. So here’s to National Grammar Day and also to the wise cautionary note sounded by Baltimore Sun copy editor John McIntyre about the danger of getting too curmudegonly about it all.
A woman calls on behalf of her 12-year-old son, who wants to know the origin of the term “booby trap.” No, the hosts explain, the answer has nothing to do with brassieres. What about these strange fellows?
A Wisconsin resident gets misty-eyed remembering the steaming plates of Beef Manhattan and Turkey Manhattan from his elementary-school days in central Indiana. But why the “Manhattan” in their names? How far back to do you remember eating it? Let us know.
An equestrian wonders about the origin of the expression “lock, stock, and barrel.”
Quiz Guy John Chaneski presents a word puzzle about snowclones, linguists’ joking term for twists on formulaic expressions.
Have you ever done something you regretted, and instinctively reached for the “undo” function, despite being nowhere near a computer? Maybe a page in your book accidentally turns and you reach for the browser’s back button? A Hoosier seeks a term for the act of trying to do offline what can only be done online. Post your suggestions here.
The election’s still months away, but a caller in Okinawa, Japan wonders how the husband of a female U.S. president should be addressed if the husband himself is a former president. The hosts rule out “First Laddie.”
A caller wants to know the origin of the word “piker,” as in a “parsimonious person.”
A few episodes ago, Martha and Grant asked listeners for variations on the road-trip game of padiddle and boy, did they oblige. For starters, how about all these names for the tail-light version of padiddle? Padunkle, padonkle, perdunkle, pasquaddle, paduchi, Popeye, and dinklepink. Personally, we can’t wait for the next time we’re out on the road at night.
This week’s “Slang This!” contestant tries to guess the meaning of the slang terms “goat’s mouth” and “happy sack.”
A caller wants to know which is correct: “pleaded” or “pled”?
An Indianapolis listener who lives on same street where James Whitcomb Riley made his home wonders if the poet’s name has anything to do with the expression associated with living in high style, “the life of Riley.” Click on the “lyrics” button on this transcription from a piano roll to see the full words to the song.
A California caller gets a clarification about when to use “a” and “an” if the next word starts with a vowel sound.
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10:06AM Mar-01-08
| Rita O’Riley
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Hi! Your show is so fun! Thanks for keeping us amused while also exercising our intellect!
I live in a suburb of Indy, and I was raised about 50 mi NE of downtown, in a city called Anderson. Our school lunches were being served a little later than your caller’s; I was in elementary throughout the 70’s, and I remember turkey and beef manhattans well. They weren’t my favorite lunch item, as the bread was frequently soggy, but I certainly wouldn’t look at him as a crazy man. Please let him know that we still have tenderloin sandwiches as big as a frisbee, and that they’re still served on buns as little as a baseball.
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10:22AM Mar-01-08
| Don Bonness, Kokomo,
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I moved to Terre Haute, IN in 1952. Some short time after moving, I became aware of beef manhattans served at diners, cafeterias, lunchcounters, etc. Later I also knew of turkey manhattans. A manhattan is a white bread sandwich of thickly(more or less) sliced meat topped with mashed potatoes and smothered in gravy. From your show, it sounds like some later versions used only one slice of bread. I now live in Kokomo, IN, and I believe somewhere in town I could still get a beef or turkey manhattan as a luncheon special.
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12:42PM Mar-01-08
| Martha Wild
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How about “deja undo” for a word to describe that feeling of wanting to done something onlife that you can do online?
Martha
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12:47PM Mar-01-08
| Jan
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Cyber-phantom or phantasmagoric
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1:02PM Mar-01-08
| Marty Lipton
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“The election’s still months away, but a caller in Okinawa, Japan wonders how the husband of a female U.S. president should be addressed if the husband himself is a former president. The hosts rule out “First Laddie.”
Grant has it right…you would call Bill ‘Mr. Clinton’ not because it avoids a problem with the title of President but because only the occupant of the Oval Office has the right to be called by that title. All past presidents are “former president surname”. Both past presidents and current presidents are called “Mr.”. So if Hillary Clinton becomes president -she- would have to make a decision as to whether to be addressed as ‘Mrs. President’, ‘Ms. President’ or ‘Miss President’ as she prefers. Any time she was introduced, she would be President Clinton and he would be Mr. Clinton.
One may get into the whole dilemma about actual usage trumping formal usage, but I think reserving the title of President to the current president actually serves a valid purpose and should be supported and preserved.
On a related note, several years back Hillary chose to use her father’s surname as her middle name, declaring herself ‘Hillary Rodham Clinton’ in order to honor her dad. At the time, many people praised this as a very forward and feminist thing to do. This has bugged me mightily, having grown up in an era when ALL women took their father’s surname as middle name upon marriage. It had the feel of “I used to be owned by middle-name-guy and I am now owned by last-name-guy.” Hardly feminist and something that I (silly feminist that I am) had thought we had fought hard to stop doing. I hadn’t thought of it until just now, but maybe this is one reason I’m not a big Hillary fan?
Love your show.
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5:07AM Mar-03-08
| martha
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Don and Rita, thanks for your contributions here. Boy, we really opened the floodgates with that turkey Manhattan call. People are even emailing us recipes and photos!
Hmmmmmm, now I’m wondering if there’s a tofu Manhattan for the rest of us!
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5:08AM Mar-03-08
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Martha Wild (what a great name!), I love “deja undo.” That pretty much sums it up. And Jan, I was thinking somewhat along those same lines, pondering how to get “phantom” in there.
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5:10AM Mar-03-08
| martha
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But Marty, how many of those women actually included their father’s surname when referring to themselves? I don’t think many did.
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I think the word is “E-flex.”
The one that I always run into is wanting to search. If you’re reading a document online, you can always hit “Ctrl-F” to find exactly what you’re looking for. I often find myself facing a big hard-copy document and thinking I should search it … not just wishing that I could, but actually thinking I should, only for a moment, out of instinct or reflex.
Hence, e-flex.
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12:10PM Mar-03-08
| Diane Altona
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Have you ever done something you regretted, and instinctively reached for the “undo” function, despite being nowhere near a computer? Maybe a page in your book accidentally turns and you reach for the browser’s back button? A Hoosier seeks a term for the act of trying to do offline what can only be done online.
How about “to confuter”?
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6:22PM Mar-03-08
| cmanb
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I love the discussion about keystrokes trying to assert themselves in inappropriate contexts, because it is a sensation with which I am definitely familiar. Be it Grant’s “Command-Z” undo twitch, or Martha’s wishing that her office had a search function. (I am recovering from just recently moving from San Diego to Denver. I wish my whole life had a search function!”)
As far as giving name to the sensation goes, I love Rob’s “e-flex” submission. “Oops, I guess my e-flexes got the better of me!”
I like it because it implies unconscious muscle response, which falls in with Grant’s likening it to muscle memory. I agree with that reckoning because the phenomenon, understandably, seems to be limited to keystrokes, quick finger flits that can be performed unconsciously. I can’t imagine anybody having finger-jerk reactions involving an elaborate combination of motions, involving reaching for a mouse, navigating to a menu bar, and enabling the “spell-check” function. It has to have the speed and efficiency of a keystroke.
It is very interesting to see virtual reality assert itself over actual reality. Our world, or rather the amount of time we spend these days in front of the monitor and keyboard, has created for us such an environment, which has in turn given us a defined set of expectations and parameters and tools, and we have grown so accustomed to working in this environment that we have developed a real frame of mind, a real way of thinking, and it of course feels natural to us to expect these same tools and contexts to be available to us anywhere else we go, be it in cyberspace or meatspace.
Anyways, I enjoyed this segment of the show and spent a little time pondering a possible description for the feeling.
“Phantom keyboard” seems like an appropriate clinical term.
The other thing I came up with was a result of my wanting to reconcile the existence of keystrokes in the virtual world with the longing for them in the fleshy world, but the subsequent “fleshstrokes” did not sit quite right with me.
Thoughts?
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7:11PM Mar-03-08
| Brad Chang
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Have you ever done something you regretted, and instinctively reached for the “undo” function, despite being nowhere near a computer? Maybe a page in your book accidentally turns and you reach for the browser’s back button? A Hoosier seeks a term for the act of trying to do offline what can only be done online. Post your suggestions here.
I have suffered from this problem and have a perfect name for it.
Early in my career, I was working on computers with mice and using paper reference materials at the same time. I would frequently look something up in the paper reference manual that was lying on my desk, then want to “copy” the same text into the computer. I would find myself moving my mouse towards the paper reference in hopes of “double clicking” on the paper and ink to copy it into my computer. But the little arrow just stopped at the edge of the screen and I would be jarred back into reality.
I call this an attempted “Paper Click”.
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5:03PM Mar-04-08
| Anne
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I totally know what everyone means about the e-flex (that is totally the greatest of many great terms suggested so far for it IMHO), I am particularly inclined to want to ctrl+f paper documents.
I was also interested in the discussion of the word “piker”. I don’t think I have heard that used where I am currently living in Florida, however where I am originally from in New Zealand it is a common term that just means someone who pulls out of some group activity they had said they would. So we would say “I hate to be a piker, but I’m not going to be there to go running at 6am tomorrow”.
I don’t think it is particularly related to financial cheapness. I am pleased to hear about the US usage - I could have easily been confused if I did hear it here.
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9:52AM Mar-05-08
| chiquita
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Regarding the turkey and beef manhattans — I moved to Indiana only four years ago, but this week i have taken a poll and found people even from Evansville, the southernmost part of Indiana, refer to these dishes as manhattans. My friend Mike (age 28) says his grandfather owned a diner in Southern Indiana and this was always on the menu.
I personally grew up in Tennessee, and I remember eating what would be called Roast Beef Manhattans here, but, for the life of me, I can’t remember what we called them in Tennessee.
I also remember reading in the book “Fifteen at Last” by Candice Ransom a description of Turkey Manhattan, but it wasn’t necessary called that. It was served at a Drug Store diner in the book, which are almost as difficult to find as this book.
I can attest that they taste scrumptious.
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12:20PM Mar-05-08
| martha
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Rob, I’m fanning myself over “e-flex.” That works on SO many levels, don’t you think? Thanks for that!
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6:41PM Mar-06-08
| Karen from Katy
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Grant and Martha- Thanks so much for answering my question (or rather, my son’s question) about “booby traps”. After listening to the podcast, my brother- who is stationed in Germany- sent me this comment. “Your clip sparked a conversation in our house though. Melanie (his wife) mentioned that the old ladies in the village refer to toddlers as “boobs.” We think it is slang over here for young children of breastfeeding age. It kind of fits in with what the hosts were saying about the origin of the word.” Thought you might enjoy hearing that.
Also, you might be interested to know that our family’s new favorite word is “agathakakological”, a word we heard on one of your past shows. My 10-year-old daughter has been reading a book called “The Worst Witch Saves the Day” by Jill Murphy. One of the characters is someone who appears to be good, but in reality is very evil. Her name? Agatha Cackle! We thought our fellow word nerds would enjoy that fact, too.
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4:45AM Mar-07-08
| Glenn Atkinson
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I love Rob’s e-flex. I’ve called it techpraxia, and referred to myself as techpraxic. But that sounds too medical, and fails the tickle-the-tongue test.
The question of “a” and “an” becomes really interesting (read troubling) for me when applied to acronyms. Lots of consonants, when spelled, start with vowel sounds, so they should take “an,” right?
To echo Grant’s “a Euro” — or “a European traveller” — it is “a UFO” either when spelled out or pronounced as “yoofo,” and it is “an IRA” either when spelled out or pronounced as “eye-ra.”
“An FBI agent,” of course. But people use the vowel vs. consonant rule based on spelling and write “a FBI agent.” I think that is wrong. By contrast, to use a recent caller’s favorite slang: “a FUBAR situation.” With “an LCD screen,” “an NCAA game,” “an FDR signature” — all these initial consonants start with vowel sounds
But even if we decide it is the sound that matters, some acronyms are sometimes spelled and sometimes pronounced, leaving me perplexed. This is similar to the “homage” discussion in a recent episode: “a homage” when you pronounce the “h” sound; “an homage” when you prefer the Francophile pronunciation. So you need to be careful when writing:
“an SAT exam” — (does anyone pronounce it like the past of “sit”? In that case it would be “a SAT exam”)
“an SQL query” if you spell it out, but some DO pronounce it like “sequel” in which case it should be “a SQL query”
etc.
I usually pause each time I need to write a/an before an acronym and research all the practices of pronunciation before I can decide. As a result, I usually recast the sentence to avoid the problem. Am I alone?
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9:36PM Mar-13-08
| Mike
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Not exactly a computer thing, but I usually drive a manual transmission. When I rent a car I often find myself pushing my left foot to the floor as I approach a red signal.
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6:40PM Mar-17-08
| Alysa
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I was thinking of the word “technify” to describe the desire to use technological keystrokes in non-technological settings. I thought of it because we had been discussing how much “abilify” sounds like a real word. Quantify and uglify are similar words that we use.
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I originally sent this comment as an E-mail message and Grant asked me to share my thoughts on the board –
I wanted to respond to the discussion you had recently regarding what would be the proper form for addressing or referring to Bill Clinton in the event that Hillary Clinton is elected president. I really liked Grant’s conclusion that he should simply be called Mr. Clinton.
I have been thinking about the broader issue surrounding this question for some time now and I have developed some strong feelings and I would be curious regarding your thoughts.
I believe that people in general are used to and comfortable with the idea of giving deference to people that they regard as their leaders or superiors. However, I don’t think that people have really thought through what this means in a democratic society. I believe strongly that the people we choose or who are appointed to positions of responsibility are not our leaders; rather, they are our employees, our subordinates, if you will. And in that respect, they should be the ones offering deference to members of the general public, not the other way around.
I really believe the idea that positions of public trust give the office holder a right to an elevated status or a title or honorific of some sort is a true violence visited upon the spirit of democracy.
These are the things that I find particularly offensive (going from least offensive to most offensive):
1. The conversion of the name of an office or a job title into an honorific. For example, I would prefer Mr. Bush, Ms. Rice, Mrs. Clinton, Mrs. Pelosi, and Mr. Roberts rather than President Bush, Secretary Rice, Senator Clinton, Speaker Pelosi, and Chief Justice Roberts. I realize that in some cases — particularly in writing — it is a convenient shorthand to use a job title as a personal title. However, I believe there is absolutely no excuse when you are addressing a person face-to-face. In particular, journalists, the guardians of democracy, should not (during press conferences, for instance) be granting this kind of deference to a person whose performance they are supposed to be monitoring. Furthermore, I believe that such job titles should be left in lower case, to emphasize the point. Thus — “Mr. Bush, the U.S. president …”
2. The continued use of a title once a person has left office. This smacks of a kind of title of nobility, another thing that is, or should be, anathema to democracy. (I don’t agree with the point that only one person is due the honorific of “President.” I believe that no one is due such an honorific. However, if such an honorific is used, I don’t believe any one fellow citizen should be granted the kind of elevation implied by exclusive use.)
3. The granting of a title merely because a person is the spouse or other relative of a person who holds public office. In this respect, I find the use of the term “First Lady” not only undemocratic but also condescending to women in general. Women should neither expect nor be granted honors of any kind based on the identity of the persons who might share their beds (and vice versa for that matter). One reason to hope for Hillary Clinton’s election is the possibility that, as Grant suggested, Bill Clinton might put an end to this nonsense.
4. The addressing of people who hold offices such as attorney general and surgeon general as “General So-and-So.” This gets my biggest raspberry not only because it is offensive, but also because it just sounds stupid. Give me a break. They’re not generals.
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Couple other thoughts on topics addressed in this episode –
1. Open-faced turkey-mashed-potato-and-gravy sandwiches. In Ohio, we called that a “turkey hotshot.”
2. Piker - my only experience with this word was in reference to someone who either was wet behind the ears or was a country bumpkin, someone who had just “come down the pike.”
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2:19PM Mar-21-08
| Wordsmith
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In re: your first post: AM, are you for real? ’Cause you’re scarin’ me, honey…
Grant? Martha? Help!!!!!!! :0
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I’m dead serious. Does anything in my post suggest that I’m not? I think that for the most part people don’t give serious thought to what it really means to be dedicated to democracy and egalitarianism.
My position flows from a simple idea: Public officials in a democratic system should not be offered symbolic deference from the people who are their employers, i.e., the general public. I invite you to engage this idea.
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5:39PM Mar-22-08
| Wordsmith
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I elect to decline, Ms.
Egalitarianism is a relative idea: no two people are equal in every aspect.
I’m not in any way suggesting a dictatorship, but with high offices come high duties, many of which are too much for most of us. I don’t see anything wrong with showing respect for someone who dedicates his/her time to making a nation more beneficial to all. I like the term “President”. And I’ll bet you there are several sane individuals who do too. You’ll notice that the mere bestowal of a title upon someone is no damage to your ego, unless that’s all you have…
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