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11:44AM
Feb-23-08


martha

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martha

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shorthairedg - “Nest Side Story” definitely works for me! Let’s see if Mr. Pliska will allow it . . .

1:58PM
Feb-23-08


Puzzle Guy

posts 8

shorthairedg said:

Did anyone else think “Nest Side Story” as the answer to one of the Snakespeare quiz questions before they heard “West Side Stork?”


Ooh…I like that. I wonder if there’s yet a third option, changing a letter in “Side”?

Good alternate, shorthairedg - or can I call you shorthaired, for short?

Puzzle Guy

5:40AM
Feb-24-08


LeoKulonosen

posts 11

Grant Barrett said:

A caller is curious about the colloquial expression “it has a catch
in its getalong.” She used it to describe the family’s
faulty car. Her husband complained the phrase was too imprecise. Grant
and Martha discuss this and similar expressions, like “hitch in its getalong”
and “hitch in its giddyup.”


This really rang a bell with me. I once worked with a woman who
came from the Caribbean who once asked me, “Could I show her how to
snatch a report out of the computer.” I remember being startled by her
phrasing thinking, “What an expressive concept!” Like I could reach
into a computer somehow and grab a report. Being a programmer, I knew
that was very far away from what it took to produce a report.

My only response was, “How poetic!”

1:58AM
Mar-04-08


Monica Sandor

Guest

“A Milwaukee man is mystified about the use of the word “neé” in his grandmother’s obituary.”

A very picky point: the acute accent should be on the first e: née.
The logic behind this is of course that né is the past participle/adjective of the French verb naître, and the extra “e” is added on for the feminine form. One never rarely sees “né” used in this sense in referene to man, since they don’t generally change their names upon marriage - though I have seen it used to give the real name of someone know under a stage/pen name.

A related faux-pas that grates on me is when people say “divorcée” with the double e even when they refer to a man. Of course “divorcé” also exists and is the masculine form.

2:09AM
Mar-04-08


Monica Sandor

Guest

I have a funny anecdote about “espresso”. It works the other way as well: once while I was travelling by overnight train from Munich to Rome, we pulled in to some northern Italian station at the crack of dawn. Half awake, I heard a loudspeaker on the platform announcing “Espresso”, and I thought that some enterprising soul was selling espresso (vendors often do run alongside trains stopped in the station hawking their wares). It turns out, they were simply announcing the imminent departure of our train, the “espresso da Roma”.

In Italian, the term for an express train is therefore the same as for the wonderful coffee (in Italy you don’t even need to specify you want espresso - if you simply order coffee, it’s what you get. You may need to specify if you want a lungo (long), ristretto (short), macchiato (with a little frothy milk), caffè latte (lots of milk), etc.)

4:17AM
Mar-04-08


erling

posts 1

An Indianapolis woman calls to say she a great first date with a doctor, but was horrified to hear him suggest they meet at an “expresso” shop. She asks for dating advice: Should she correct the guy, keep quiet about this mispronunciation, or just hope he never orders espresso again? Would you go out on a second date with someone who orders a cup of “EX-presso”?

In my travels in Europe, and particularly in France, I have heard and seen this word. The French, when not simply refering to this drink as “café” tend to say and even write in menus “expresso”. In a way, this makes sense when thinking about the possible origin of the work “to press out”? (I’m guessing here…) from the latin “ex”. Could this be a possible variation of the word?

3:15PM
Mar-06-08


Wordsmith

posts 158

I think so.
People often get bugged about others saying “expresso” instead of “espresso”, without really knowing that “x” is often rendered “ss” (or “s”) in Italian: viz., “sesso” (sex), “esultare” (exult), “lassativo” (laxative), etc. This is due to assimilation; two conjunct consonants “agreeing” (if you will) on a single phoneme; in this case /s/ (or /z/).
Yes, it ought to be pronounced “espresso”, but why is perhaps just as important. When in Rome…

12:30PM
Jun-08-08


Jim Carroll

Guest

I agree that “Expresso” is not now a word.

However, I propose that it be considered as a potential new entry in our lexicon.

“Espresso” should continue with its present definition, and should connote espresso made in the traditional way, with a burr grinder, a tamper, steam, a knock-box, and all the like accoutrements.

“Expresso” should connote “espresso” made using one of any number of “short cuts”, including pre-ground “Pods”, “all-in-one super-automatic” coffee machines, and possibly should connote even “espresso” ordered at a drive-through facility.

What do members of the assembled multitude think?

I’ll take my answer off the air…

2:26AM
Jun-09-08


Martin Watts

Guest

Puzzle Guy said:

shorthairedg said:

Did anyone else think “Nest Side Story” as the answer to one of the Snakespeare quiz questions before they heard “West Side Stork?”


Ooh…I like that. I wonder if there’s yet a third option, changing a letter in “Side”?

Good alternate, shorthairedg - or can I call you shorthaired, for short?

Puzzle Guy


The birdwatchers observing this could be part of the “West Hide Story”.

2:29AM
Jun-09-08


Martin Watts

Guest

Allan J. W. said:

Very interesting to hear a person have such an intense aversion to ‘moist’ - and a Facebook group? WOW.

Funny thing is my favorite words are ‘moist‘ and ‘nubbin‘. I’m not a big fan of ‘moister’ - I’ll say ‘more moist’. It’s a sound thing for me.

Maybe it’s like black licorice which I also love. Maybe ‘moist’ is a word that polarizes people. Hmmmm.


She might not like two of Terry Pratchett’s novels, “Going Postal” and “Making Money”, with their main character M… von Lipwig.

3:47PM
Jun-09-08


EmmieKae

Guest

lister said:

Steal away!


Ya know, Martha, I didn’t hear any humor in that caller’s voice. I think her attitude really put a bee in my giddyup, that’s for sure.


And I think the anti-moisters have an real physiological reaction to that word. Whether it’s some form of synesthesia or something akin to that lady who went into seizures whenever she heard Mary Hart’s voice on TV, I don’t think there’s anything they could ever do to change their situation.


The lady from Indianapolis just needed to chillax and it all could have worked out fine. It might have even been something they could laugh about as a couple in years to come.


Thanks for your wonderful show!


3:52PM
Jun-09-08


EmmieKae

Guest

To Lister:

I have to, at least slightly, disagree with you about the use of a word like “Expresso” on a first date. I think that frequent slip-ups such as this point to a much larger problem, that could certainly play a large role in a relationship: a general lack of attention to detail. I have to admit that “expresso” especially gets under my skin, but it is really the kind of person that can repeatedly mispronounce words without ever taking the time or putting in the effort to learn the proper way. So, I would agree with you that one minor slip-up is no reason to go running for the hills…BUT, I would see numerous “slip-ups” as a sign of bigger things to come!!

9:48AM
Jun-14-08


hyunwoosun

Seoul, Korea

posts 1

I LOVED the Snakespeare quizzes!! Haha. Thanks!

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