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7:52PM
Jan-20-08


Calia

posts 1

How do you feel about “Gimme Giver”?

5:52AM
Jan-21-08


Grant Barrett

Admin

Brooklyn, New York

posts 489

Not bad. Does it seem transparent enough? I mean, will people know what you mean without explaining?

9:10PM
Jan-21-08


Paradox

posts 47

I’m thinking that there must be some way to use words like “renege” or “welch” which both imply breaching an agreed transfer of something.

“gift welcher”?

Heaven forbid it should be “self-regifter”!!!

Perhaps “boomeranger.”

8:44AM
Jan-22-08


Emmett Redd

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Doesn’t ‘welch’ have the same problem as ‘indian giver’?

Emmett

10:19AM
Jan-22-08


Paradox

posts 47

Oops, I didn’t realize that welch was a variant of Welsh.

I retract that suggestion: Mia culpa!

Actually, I like my “boomeranger” idea better anyway. It rolls off the tongue well and I have never heard the term used for someone that throws a boomerang. Thus, I find it grabs the ear as something unusual which gives the context a chance to supply the intended meaning.

10:55AM
Jan-22-08


Grant Barrett

Admin

Brooklyn, New York

posts 489

“To welsh” is by no means connected to Welsh, as in a person from Wales. All of the dictionaries I’ve checked say “unknown origin.”

12:37PM
Jan-22-08


Paradox

posts 47

OH! In that case, I meta-retract.

(Although I still like “boomeranger” better :) )

7:12PM
Jan-23-08


tgoldsby

posts 5

This topic led me to think about other common terms and phrases that we use without thinking and which are culturally offensive or at least insensitive. The first one which came to mind is “beat down by the man”. We often say this (jokingly) at work when we mean that we are so jaded by the bureaucracy of management that we don’t expect any real progress or change. Now that I am thinking about it, this phrase seems like a reference to slavery. I will use “beat down by the system” from now on (until I can think of something better)!

5:18AM
Jan-24-08


Grant Barrett

Admin

Brooklyn, New York

posts 489

Although use of “the Man” to mean, as the Historical Dictionary of American Slang puts it, “white people collectively regarded as oppressors of blacks” seems to have started with Black Americans, it didn’t appear until the 1950s. So there’s no historical connection to slavery or the slave-owning era, although Black radical politics of the 1960s—a period when “the Man” was used in seriousness and without much irony—it was no doubt understood that slavery was included in the inventory of oppression of the white overclass.

2:39PM
Mar-21-08


Wordsmith

posts 158

Actually, according to several sources “welch” is a variant of “welsh” and almost certainly does refer to the Welsh. The Welsh word for “Welsh” is Cymraeg, both a noun and an adjective. For a while, the term “welsh” was mostly used negatively.

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