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shut the lights – a regionalism or what?

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3:03PM
Mar-09-10


adventure

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posts 15

So! I'm originally from Long Island, NY. I live in Columbus, Ohio with my Floridian boyfriend whom I met in Tennessee. He bristled when he heard me say "on line," a New York regionalism featured on this program. Our friend Cary (from North Carolina), also in an uproar said, "I'll bet you say 'shut the lights' too!"
Well, this was even worse than "on line." Hysterics ensued. I don't see why. You "fermer" stuff in French, and that "off" in "shut off" is so dang perfunctory.

Do YOU say "shut the lights?" Where are you from?

No, I don't say, "open the lights," and I certainly don't say "close the lights." Anathema. Blegh.

11:11AM
Mar-10-10


PrettyToney

Cambridge, MA

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posts 7

I grew up in NY and use both "shut the lights" and "turn off the lights."

I think I've heard "close the lights" too… but possibly from non-native speakers (of English).

1:08PM
Mar-14-10


Jackie

Spring Green, WI

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posts 56

Post edited 1:23PM – Mar-14-10 by Jackie


I grew up in western Pennsylvania. I use both shut off and turn off, when it comes to the lights. I had a friend who grew up in Pennsylvania Dutch country who would say, "Outen the lights."

2:01PM
Mar-16-10


PrettyToney

Cambridge, MA

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posts 7

AHA! I dig "outen the lights."

Btw, do you use "jawn" in western PA? This is something I heard a lot from Philly folk and wondered if it were a general PA thing.

10:24PM
Mar-16-10


Jackie

Spring Green, WI

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posts 56

PrettyToney, I'm not sure I know what you mean by "jawn." Philly and Pittsburgh are miles apart in lingo.

9:32AM
Mar-18-10


PrettyToney

Cambridge, MA

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Haha, got it. Both my sister and my boyfriend went to UPenn (one undergrad, and one MD/PhD); both came back dropping "jawn" everywhere. It seems like a catchall object like "thing" or "joint" but it's also used to reference women (a la "I tried to kick it to this bajan jawn I met at the club last night") so it seems also more broad than "thing."

I would love to know where it came from but haven't been able to find a suitable answer anywhere, .

12:39PM
Mar-18-10


Jackie

Spring Green, WI

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posts 56

Interesting. I've got friends in Philly. I'll ask around and let you know if I come up with anything.

10:38AM
Mar-19-10


martha

martha

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Does your friend from NC say "cut off the lights"? I've certainly heard that there.

8:45PM
Mar-19-10


Jackie

Spring Green, WI

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posts 56

My relatives in North Carolina said, "Mash the lights."

2:14AM
Mar-30-10


tromboniator

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posts 210

Interesting: shut the lights by opening the circuit, open the lights by closing the circuit.

Peter

9:40PM
Apr-03-10


Jackie

Spring Green, WI

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posts 56

PrettyToney, I was just chatting with an old friend from Philly. He's lived there all his life and has never heard of jawn. Maybe it's a Penn thing?

6:04PM
May-01-10


burntsox

Cameroon

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posts 11

My wife, Boston born and bred, shuts off the life. I'm from Washington, D.C., and I turn off the lights. When I actually do, but that's a completely different story.

7:31PM
May-01-10


robkeim

Upstate NY

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posts 3

We say "shut off the lights" and "turn off the lights", but my ex-wife, a non-native speaker (from Puerto Rico) used to say "close the lights". I always thought that was odd.

11:50PM
May-03-10


pfenwood

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posts 2

In my home town of Yonkers, NY, "Shut the lights" was common.That said, there are Yonkersisms enough for a whole episode.

10:04AM
Jun-16-10


bluesgeek

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Post edited 10:09AM – Jun-16-10 by bluesgeek


I would speculate that open and close the light harkens back to the days when a lamp was lit, and then opened or closed to direct the light.

My Italian grandmother and and grandfather would say, "close the light." Chiude la luce.

3:17AM
Feb-05-11


lillypetals

Member

posts 3

I've also heard "turn out the lights" instead of turning them off. To be accurate, that should probably only be applied to lamps that are actually turned off by turning a knob though.

1:52AM
Feb-06-11


tromboniator

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posts 210

Also, usually with stern impatience, "Put that light out!"

7:09AM
Feb-10-11


TheChamberlain

Farmington, CT

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Post edited 7:10AM – Feb-10-11 by TheChamberlain


When I met my husband, he, his two brothers and his Italian immigrant parents all said open the lights, and close the lights. But this basically applied to anything you would turn off and on. I've asked them about this, and what I've been told, the phrases in Italian, which I forget at the moment, translate directly to open and close the lights, hence the saying.

Edit: Where this really confused me and I think prompted me to ask was when they would say "open the stove and close the stove" even though nothing was being put in the oven. But they say close the lights, close the stove, close the tv, close the radio, etc.

As far as "cut the lights" I've only heard this phrase used during my days in live performance theater. For whatever reason instead of turn off the stage lights and turn on the work lights, they would always say "cut the stage lights and turn on the work lights."

1:41PM
Feb-10-11


tromboniator

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posts 210

Post edited 1:42PM – Feb-10-11 by tromboniator


TheChamberlain said:

As far as "cut the lights" I've only heard this phrase used during my days in live performance theater. For whatever reason instead of turn off the stage lights and turn on the work lights, they would always say "cut the stage lights and turn on the work lights."


For stage lighting, "cut the lights" seems to be in contrast to "fade the lights" or "bring down the lights," and it seems generally to be used not so much as a stage direction for part of the performance, but as part of the back-to-reality functioning of the theater, as "Cut the lights and hit the work lights; lets fix that door stage right." As a rehearsal stage direction the command would likely be "Blackout." That's my experience, at any rate.

Peter

And welcome!

2:14PM
Feb-10-11


Heimhenge

New River, AZ, USA

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posts 241

Post edited 4:28PM – Feb-10-11 by Heimhenge


Where I grew up in the Midwest it was always "turn off the lights" or "shut off the lights." "Shut the lights," which I really don't recall ever hearing, just seems to be lacking a needed adverb. Of course, the meaning is still clear.

Here in AZ, where many people are amateur astronomers, I more often hear "kill the lights." This being the somewhat aggressive response to someone showing up with a bright flashlight in a location where hobbyists are observing through telescopes. Such an intrusion of photons messes up the eyes' dark adaptation. Takes 10-15 minutes to fully recover.

This expression seems to have become the norm, at least in the astronomy circle I hang with. Even when referring to interior lights.

Maybe if you really angered some astronomer they'd say "off the lights." But I try not to anger those types. On one occasion, I did "off a streetlight" that was interfering with astronomy from my back yard. Had a great dark sky view for about 2 weeks until a city crew replaced the bulb. Perhaps, as Tromboniator suggests, I should have literally "brought down the light," but that would've taken more than just a BB gun.

6:00PM
Feb-10-11


tromboniator

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posts 210

Heimhenge said:

I should have literally "brought down the light," but that would've taken more than just a BB gun.


I love it! Perhaps a chainsaw with lots of insulation. Nothing is too radical when you're facilitating astronomical observation. I have a neighbor who…but that can wait.

Peter

7:20AM
Feb-11-11


Jackie

Spring Green, WI

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posts 56

Heimhenge, I've had the same experiences with my astronomy club. I've also had the same thoughts about the street light on the corner of our property. Unfortunately, I don't own a BB gun.

11:00AM
Feb-11-11


Heimhenge

New River, AZ, USA

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posts 241

Jackie, truth be told, some of the astronomers in my area have succeeded with a "wrist rocket" slingshot. Apparently the practice is quite common in the astronomy community. The pros at the major observatories in AZ have enough political clout (pro astronomy brings millions of $ into the state) and they can get nearby towns to enforce more strict lighting codes. Amateurs need to resort to less civilized solutions.

Interestingly, the local electric utility must have gotten the word somehow, and will install, on request, special streetlight shields that direct the light onto the street, where it belongs, and not toward adjacent residences. Now there's an (un)enlightened policy for you.

Since this is WWW, and not an astronomy forum, I figured I had to throw in at least a pun.

Who was it that said (and I'm probably paraphrasing) "A pun is the lowest form of humor, unless you thought of it first."?