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8:15AM Mar-06-09
| Grant Barrett
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What words do you hate? More than 500 people have answered so far.
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9:17PM Mar-06-09
| samaphore
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Arne Duncan, the new Secretary of Education, loves to use the word incent, and for reasons I don't understand it drives me crazy. Up until now I've always heard incentivize. Maybe it's the frequency with which Duncan uses the word that bothers me, as well as the policies implied by it. I'm getting tired of hearing for decades that the way to fix the problems with education is to incent teachers, principals, students, and parents, and the way to do that is with money. I heard Duncan say that even the school janitors need to be incented. Why? Do clean restrooms make better students?
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11:17PM Mar-13-09
| txbookguy
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Incent is akward and imprecise. You're not going to incent/bribe bad teachers to do a better job. You can only 'reward' good teachers. You know the entire system of paying teachers is screwed up, when a first year teacher makes as much as an excellent experienced teacher.
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12:32PM Mar-16-09
| samaphore
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I suppose the logic is that when teachers are rewarded for good results that provides some extra incentive to do the extra work in order to get good results. But I still hate the word incent, while I don't have a problem with the word reward, even though in the example provided they pretty much mean the same thing. I didn't really mean to stir up issues about education!
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4:40PM Mar-20-09
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I am fairly tolerant of incorrect word usage by most of my "normal" friends, and (almost) never point it out in social settings. However, "irregardless" will set my teeth on edge everytime. "Regardless" is a perfectly good word unadorned, why make it redundant? The times I have heard it uttered, it was usually from a person I looked up to academically- and I felt "let down". Not to say I haven't let them down in some way, irregardless of my intentions. (sorry, had to)
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8:14PM Mar-21-09
| Etymology Fan
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I think that my top two current most-hated words are "excetera" and "anywho."
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8:25AM Mar-24-09
| hoppyrules
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I agree with StephanieDC – "irregardless" actually makes me wince. Also, lately I have noticed significant "such" abuse occuring (perhaps because I am working in a part of the country where they include it in ordinary speech). Last week I heard my client use the expression "such that" 45 times in one day. Yes, I counted them.
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3:38PM Mar-24-09
| samaphore
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Etymology, you didn't say why you hated etcetera and anywho. Just curious! Personally, I enjoy hearing anywho, because it is almost always done with a dramatic flourish. But it's rare that I hear it. Maybe I'd feel differently if I heard it all the time.
Stephanie (and hoppy), for whatever it's worth, some people say irregardless to add emphasis to the relatively diminutive regardless. The ir, especially if prolonged and done with a slight growl, is audibly engaging. Those who won't learn to appreciate the effect will continue to wince, I suspect.
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4:35PM Mar-24-09
| dmonfils
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Slacks, Panties, Putch, Moist
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5:01PM Mar-24-09
| EmmettRedd
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What is a "Putch?"
Emmett
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6:15PM Mar-24-09
| Glenn
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The Hungarian word for "ice cream:" "fagylalt." It's harder to pronounce than it looks. Nothing much in English comes to mind.
The irony is that I lurve ice cream. (N.B. callback intentional)
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9:01PM Mar-24-09
| Etymology Fan
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Post edited 2:17AM – Mar-25-09 by Etymology Fan
Samaphore, the word that I hate isn’t “et cetera,” (which is two words) it’s “excetera.” There’s something about people mangling Latin phrases that bugs me a little bit (I’ll admit that I’m probably being inconsistent by overlooking other manglings of Latin in the English language). I think my dislike for “excetera” was stoked by repeatedly hearing a radio ad for a business called “Brakes Etc.” in which people keep saying “excetera.” One reason that I hate “excetera” may be that it reminds me of “excrement.”
As for my hatred of “anywho,” I don’t really know what to say about that other than that it seems like a somewhat forced attempt to be clever. When I was in a public speaking class in college, I had a classmate who kept saying “anywho” during his presentations, and it definitely rubbed me the wrong way.
Now that dmonfils mentions it, I’m not crazy about “panties” either. It seems slightly strange that womens’ underwear has this somewhat infantile, childish name when mens’ underwear doesn’t. Well, maybe it's not that unexpected when you consider our society's history of patriarchy and all that, but it still seems a little strange to me.
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1:32PM Mar-25-09
| samaphore
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Post edited 6:49PM – Mar-25-09 by samaphore
One reason that I hate “excetera” may be that it reminds me of “excrement.”
If Starbucks makes your espresso really fast is it called an expresso? I guess that the phrase, “Existentialists exclaim that extreme excitement exacerbates expensive expenditures,” would sound like diarrhea of the mouth to your ears?
Anywho as clever? That's a surprise to me. I've only heard it used by people trying to be a little funny in a hick sort of way. And never in a presentation of any sort.
Panties doesn't sound infantile or childish to me; it's simply the word for women's underwear. Men call theirs boxers or briefs. On the other hand, thongs and g-strings are ridiculous on a man or a woman.
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2:52PM Mar-25-09
| RedRaven
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I hate to figure out if I am going to lay down, or lie down. I'm just taking a nap.:lol:
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9:42AM Mar-26-09
| Etymology Fan
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Anywho as clever? That’s a surprise to me.
Well, maybe "clever" isn't quite the right word.
I guess that the phrase, “Existentialists exclaim that extreme excitement exacerbates expensive expenditures,” would sound like diarrhea of the mouth to your ears?
Aaaah! Don't ever do that again! :yell:
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2:14PM Mar-27-09
| paigechen
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The "excetera" post reminded me of "exscape"…i can't help but notice when people add that extra letter and it makes me cringe.
The other word that gets me is when someone consistently says "utilize" in place of "use". Is there a useful difference between these terms or just personal preference?
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2:24PM Mar-27-09
| samaphore
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Yes, we should call them Sport Use Vehicles instead of Sport Utility Vehicles!
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12:01PM Jul-31-09
| Glenn
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Post edited 6:51PM – Jul-31-09 by Glenn
I just came from a meeting. I finally have an answer to this question.
I hate the word “mentee”.
I know. It’s in plenty of dictionaries. But there are lots of words in lots of dictionaries that make lots of people wince. Granted, usually only people who care about words and language would wince at words in dictionaries. But that’s why I’m doing my wayward whinging here.
I usually enjoy word-formation oddities a lot. However, this one rubs me the wrong way, and how. Mentor was a great person, who guided another great person. The application of his name in this situation is a beautiful metaphor. The beauty of the metaphor is shattered by the mere existence of the word “mentee”.
A mentor is still not someone who *”ments”. I don’t want to be a mentee, now or ever. I don’t want to have a mentee. Now, if I had the opportunity to be an odyssean, I might be willing to fight for that! If I had an odyssean who wanted my guidance, I would be honored.
One of my colleagues who attended the same meeting hates the word because it seems so passive, as if the mentee is having the *menting done to him or her.
If you get a dozen mentees into a room and serve them diet coke, should you duck?
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2:26PM Jul-31-09
| Etymology Fan
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I don't think that I've ever heard anyone use "mentee." I don't think that I could hear it without thinking of "manatee."
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3:58PM Jul-31-09
| Ron Draney
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I'm going to offer "integrite". Had a boss about ten years ago who had convinced himself that this word existed and would use it in every memo: "We must always be integrite in our dealings with customers". Sent him an anonymous photocopy of a page from the OED showing no such word–and incidentally displaying a few synonyms for what he seemed to be trying to say–but it never did any good.
This next is not exactly an objection, but I have a peculiar blind spot when I see the word "excitement" in print; I always try to read it as "excrement". Assuming I'm not the only one, advertising people would be well advised to take this phenomenon into account.
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4:00PM Jul-31-09
| Ron Draney
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StephanieDC said:
I am fairly tolerant of incorrect word usage by most of my “normal” friends, and (almost) never point it out in social settings. However, “irregardless” will set my teeth on edge everytime. “Regardless” is a perfectly good word unadorned, why make it redundant? The times I have heard it uttered, it was usually from a person I looked up to academically- and I felt “let down”. Not to say I haven’t let them down in some way, irregardless of my intentions. (sorry, had to)
Next time you hear it, ask if they really mean "without irregard".
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11:43AM Aug-01-09
| martha
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Ron, how was that person pronouncing "integrite"?
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2:25PM Aug-01-09
| Ron Draney
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I want to say "IN-tuh-grite". No suggestion that he was using a French word, if that's what you're thinking (or the brand of skin lotion named for that French word). And always used as an adjective.
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7:57PM Sep-10-09
| SummerOtaku
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Scads. I think it reminds me of both scabs and scabies at the same time and swarming bugs over open wounds.
Moist. I think I've heard this word used to often in sexist dialog or descriptions of where mold and yeast might make a home. Like a yeast infection. YUCK. Still…moist cake is okay by me.
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2:23PM Sep-12-09
| lux rationis
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In general, I hate it when people take nouns and verb them. "Gift" is a case in point: "Our suggested minimum pledge level is thirty-five dollars, but several callers have gifted [sic] in excess of one-hundred dollars…"
The verb is "to give." "Gift" is the nominal form. There isn't any reason to use one in place of the other. I have a feeling that those who use "gift" as a verb think that implies an act of greater generosity than does the verb "to give", but who really know what they think?
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5:51PM Sep-12-09
| Viehfutter
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lux rationis said:
In general, I hate it when people take nouns and verb them. “Gift” is a case in point: “Our suggested minimum pledge level is thirty-five dollars, but several callers have gifted [sic] in excess of one-hundred dollars…”
The verb is “to give.” “Gift” is the nominal form. There isn’t any reason to use one in place of the other. I have a feeling that those who use “gift” as a verb think that implies an act of greater generosity than does the verb “to give”, but who really know what they think?
So you don't like it when people verb nouns?
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1:45PM Oct-05-09
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SummerOtaku, did you catch the episode where we talked with a woman who had the same aversion that you do to the M-word?
http://www.waywordradio.org/ex…..g-tongues/
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9:49PM Oct-06-09
| Tukaram
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lux rationis in my world nouns and verbs have always been interchangeable. In the Navy we would take phrases, titles, anything we wanted, and make acronyms out of them. Then we would make nouns and verbs out of the acronym. Grant even mentions it in his Official Dictionary of Unofficial English. (*^-^*)
As for what word do I hate I would have to go with irregardless. Don't be afraid of commitment. Irregard or regardless, pick one and be proud of your choice.
Although literally is getting pretty sickening (nothing personal just over used)
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10:15PM Oct-06-09
| Viehfutter
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Tukaram said:
As for what word do I hate I would have to go with irregardless. Don't be afraid of commitment. Irregard or regardless, pick one and be proud of your choice.
One time I meant to say irrespective and changed my mind to regardless mid-word. Thus, out came this hated utterance.
I had never before experienced such self-loathing.
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7:09PM Apr-07-10
| Word_Nerd
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samaphore said:
Arne Duncan, the new Secretary of Education, loves to use the word incent, and for reasons I don't understand it drives me crazy. Up until now I've always heard incentivize. Maybe it's the frequency with which Duncan uses the word that bothers me, as well as the policies implied by it. I'm getting tired of hearing for decades that the way to fix the problems with education is to incent teachers, principals, students, and parents, and the way to do that is with money. I heard Duncan say that even the school janitors need to be incented. Why? Do clean restrooms make better students? 
Both incent and incentivize are cringe-worthy for me; they just don't sound right to my ears. I have heard both equally and oftentimes from the same person. When I tried to explain to a former boss that both words were back-formations from incentive and the root word of incentive is actually incite, he became oddly defensive. I suppose incite has some negative connotations since it is rarely heard in common usage without being followed by "riots."
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8:14PM Apr-08-10
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My personal cringe word these days is respecting. I was taught to give respect to those who earned it and to be respectful. (the noun and pronoun) You could talk respectfully or respect your elders. (the adverb and verb forms) How in heaven's name can I be respecting someone when I already respect them? Did I miss an infinitive in school? I had not heard this form until about 20 years ago so I try to shrug it off like other neologisms, but this one is hard for me to get past.
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12:12PM Apr-09-10
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- When I was growing up…
— Underwear was not an appropriate topic of conversation.
— A "thong" was "what Thinatra things."
- I am another person who dislikes turning nouns into verbs (or using certain parts of speech in other roles).
— "revisioning" – How is this different from "revising"?
— "You're harshing my mellow." – Did this really originate with the Grateful Dead?
- At times "verbing" a noun can communicate quite economically: During canning season I asked a friend how she spent her afternoon. She said "Janis and I were apple-saucing it." Folksy and simple, but if that became more than a one-time expression, it would bother me.
- "as being" – One of my former bosses used to insert this phrase into almost every sentence.
— "Lock the door when you leave for lunch, as being twelve o'clock."
- I never understood what he thought it added to his speech.
- misuse of "myself"
— "My brothers and myself did that" (instead of "my brothers and me").
— "They presented the award to my boss and myself" (instead of "…to my boss and me").
- Why?
— Is this intended to emphasize "my" involvement? to show exclusiveness?
— Is this an attempt to sound more educated or elevate one's social standing by using bigger words?
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1:28PM Apr-09-10
| Ron Draney
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johng423 said:
- At times "verbing" a noun can communicate quite economically: During canning season I asked a friend how she spent her afternoon. She said "Janis and I were apple-saucing it." Folksy and simple, but if that became more than a one-time expression, it would bother me.
I've been known to burst into a sushi place where I'm well-known, plop myself down onto a stool, and call out to the chef: "Eel me!"
- misuse of "myself"
— "My brothers and myself did that" (instead of "my brothers and me").
— "They presented the award to my boss and myself" (instead of "…to my boss and me").
- Why?
— Is this intended to emphasize "my" involvement? to show exclusiveness?
— Is this an attempt to sound more educated or elevate one's social standing by using bigger words?
Mostly I'd guess it's an attempt to complete the thought without getting caught up in "do I use I or me in this context".
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2:39PM Apr-09-10
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Post edited 2:40PM – Apr-09-10 by Glenn
Mostly I'd guess it's an attempt to complete the thought without getting caught up in "do I use I or me in this context".
I'd support that hypothesis. I think people are really confused, angry, weary, indifferent — or some combo of the aforementioned — about the entire I/me selection. Using myself helps them dodge that. It is further my observation (unscientific) that people will tend to avoid 3rd-person pronouns in such constructions. They will repeat "my brothers," "my boss," etc. rather than enter the minefield of they/them or he/him.
e.g. Yesterday my boss was out of town, so they waited till today to present the award to my boss and myself.
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9:44PM Apr-13-10
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lux rationis said:
In general, I hate it when people take nouns and verb them. "Gift" is a case in point: "Our suggested minimum pledge level is thirty-five dollars, but several callers have gifted [sic] in excess of one-hundred dollars…"
The verb is "to give." "Gift" is the nominal form. There isn't any reason to use one in place of the other. I have a feeling that those who use "gift" as a verb think that implies an act of greater generosity than does the verb "to give", but who really know what they think?
I'm completely with you on this one – the phrase "he gifted it to her" drives me crazy. What's wrong with "gave"?
I also get a bit bent out of shape about "persons", as in "certain persons have been known to…". "People" just sounds so much nicer.
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