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A Roberta of Flax (full episode)
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2010/12/02
4:47pm
Lee
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Promiscuity? As in "yews and yews and yews"?

So long, farewell…

2010/12/03
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Sanscravat
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Your radio show is delightful… and I never would have known about it if you hadn't posted a link to my blog post about collective nouns for plants (A Wreck of Hesperus).

On your show, it wasn't clear if these collective nouns were real or made-up. They are entirely, as PG Wodehouse might have described them, "phonus-balonus." My wife and I started making them up on a road trip and -- as is obvious from the comments here -- other like-minded people also find the process irresistibly addictive.

The blog post is just the tip of the iceberg lettuce, so to speak. We have hundreds more in the book we're writing (that's why the original blog post was copyrighted).

2010/12/03
6:54am
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Similar to "a pack of dogwood" could be:

a pod of orchids.

Emmett

2010/12/03
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As with animal groups, of which there can be different collective names, depending upon certain particulars (e.g. flock / gaggle of geese), I think we are free to come up with multiples for our herbs, flowers, trees, and other vegetation.

In that spirit I would like to add "a stitch of thyme."

2010/12/07
2:30am
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Juan Twotrees said:

Regarding spoonerisms, you have to hear the last track on (I believe) every release by the Capitol Steps, the politics-n-pop culture-skewering song parodists from Washington, DC. For example, the 2008 CD, Obama Mia!, which includes such hits as "Ebony and Ovaries" and "Little Plumber Boy," ends with the extended spoonerism monologue "Lirty Dies:2008 – the Load to the Erection." (Yes, the double entendres do figure into the humor quite heavily.) More info at http://www.capsteps.com


I want to second Juan's endorsement of CapSteps. They mostly do songs, but most of their albums have a lengthy story told almost entirely with Spoonerisms that are just hilarious. My favorite line was from one during the Lewinsky scandal that went something like this: Lonica Mewinsky is going to bite a wrook, and that rook is going to make her bich. What with be the jitle on the tacket? It's from Darles Chickens: A Sale of Two Tities. :)

2010/12/25
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Faux Frenchie said:

Juan Twotrees said:

Regarding spoonerisms, you have to hear the last track on (I believe) every release by the Capitol Steps, the politics-n-pop culture-skewering song parodists from Washington, DC. For example, the 2008 CD, Obama Mia!, which includes such hits as "Ebony and Ovaries" and "Little Plumber Boy," ends with the extended spoonerism monologue "Lirty Dies:2008 – the Load to the Erection." (Yes, the double entendres do figure into the humor quite heavily.) More info at http://www.capsteps.com


I want to second Juan's endorsement of CapSteps. They mostly do songs, but most of their albums have a lengthy story told almost entirely with Spoonerisms that are just hilarious. My favorite line was from one during the Lewinsky scandal that went something like this: Lonica Mewinsky is going to bite a wrook, and that rook is going to make her bich. What with be the jitle on the tacket? It's from Darles Chickens: A Sale of Two Tities. :)


I've got to repeat the recommendation for the Capital Steps. If you get a chance, listen to this story (text and audio) about Haris Pilton. Don't listen while driving. It could result in a crad bash.
2011/02/09
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For all the spoonerism fans, I have a great performer for you. Terry Foy, As "Zilch, The Torysteller", is a renaissance festival performer from Minnesota. You can see many of his bits on youtube. He's also on facebook and has a website.
Streat Guff!

2011/08/07
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Apropos of pannas, scrapple, and other such peasant food designed to use everything in the pig including the oink …

I lived in Cincinnati for a time, and there was a food substance called Goetta. It was so common it was available in the chain grocery stores there, and all the little meat specialty shops had their version. The spelling is via the common deconstruction of the original German word, which was without the 'e' and with the 'o' umlauted.

The usual grain used with the meat is steelcut oats. The meat stock is typically pork, with up to 50% beef seen occasionally. And dressed up with some very nice spices.

A nice little FAQ about goetta:

2011/08/07
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Ron Draney said:

Ahem. Change of subject to another part of the episode.

I can understand well why a musician would rankle at someone using "crescendo" to mean "maximum volume or intensity" instead of "increasing volume or intensity". It's much the way I feel when someone speaks of working to reach "the very plateau" in some accomplishment.

Abuses of technical terms that bother me as a mathematician:

  • parameters to mean "boundaries"
  • steep learning curve in reference to a slow process
  • quantum leap to describe an enormous change

I agree, largely, with Ron's complaint … but can't agree about "learning curve." I've always taken "steep learning curve" to be a graph of understanding/effort rather than understanding/time.

2011/08/08
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It was mentioned that the plant collective names were "made up" but weren't the animal collective names made up too?

2011/08/09
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Of course, ALL language (not to mention every other cultural artifact) is "made up." However the animal collective names (terms of venery) have historical usage -- they were all terms of the hunt, going back to the Middle Ages, and possibly earlier.

Our list of plant groups (what we're calling "terms of vegery") have neither historical precedent nor practical usage; they were invented -- by my wife and me, and by all the people who have have since added to the list -- out of sheer whimsey, with no purpose other than amusement.

ggurman said:

It was mentioned that the plant collective names were "made up" but weren't the animal collective names made up too?


2011/08/09
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Sanscravat said:

Of course, ALL language (not to mention every other cultural artifact) is "made up." However the animal collective names (terms of venery) have historical usage — they were all terms of the hunt, going back to the Middle Ages, and possibly earlier.


Okay, fair enough. I didn't realize there was an actual historical usage for the animal words. Thanks for the correction.

2011/08/10
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Conflagration of fireweed
Loop de lupine

2011/10/22
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A late entry (just catching up on my podcasts): the show included a collective noun for rhubarb. May I suggest instead, "A razz of rhubarb"?

2012/08/13
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A couple of years ago, you did a show that featured a blog post of ours, and it spurred a lot of wordplay from your listeners. Today we've posted a new e-book, Terms of Vegery,* that is an expanded version of that original post. It has well over 200 hundred entries, some inspired by your show (the acknowledgments section credits several of your listeners).
 
Thanks for that mention… and I hope you'll enjoy the results!
 
Gary
 
 
 
*If the link doesn't work, try this:
2012/08/16
7:48pm
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Glenn said
Regarding whenever:

… it is not accurate to say that whenever expresses a notion of repetition… but, rather, uncertainty of timing.

Oftentimes it is quite unambiguous from the context:

Whenever it will snow, I will do a barefoot dance on the lawn.  (uncertainty of timing)

Whenever it snowed, I would do a barefoot dance on the lawn. (repetition by habit)

Whenever that law was passed, it was a dark day for the nation. (uncertainty of timing)

Whenever a bad law was passed, it was a dark day for the nation. (repetition with many bad laws)

Whenever they hire a new person to the group, I’m going to take some needed vacation. (uncertainty of timing)

Whenever they hired a new person to the group, I would feel a little more justified to take vacation. (repetition)

2012/08/24
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Robert said

Whenever it snowed, I would do a barefoot dance on the lawn. (repetition by habit)

Whenever a bad law was passed, it was a dark day for the nation. (repetition with many bad laws)


Whenever they hired a new person to the group, I would feel a little more justified to take vacation. (repetition)

Thanks. These are great examples for my category of "a repeated, but unpredictable event."