## Discussion Forum (Archived)

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1:11pm

2011/08/01

I have always understood that exact and precise are not synonyms although most dictionaries use one to define the other and sometime list them as synonyms. Please see the following example questions and answers that illustrate how the two words differ for me – “How many beans are in the jar? There are exactly 453.” “How much acid is in that beaker? Precisely 13 ounces.” The beans can be counted so you can state that there are exactly 453. The acid must be measured so it can only be precisely 13 ounces because the accuracy of the measurement is dependent on the precision of the measuring tool and the method of measurement.

If you measure a stack of paper with a ruler and say it is exactly three and an eighth inches tall, how can you explain that when you measure the same stack of paper with a machinist’s micrometer and find that it is 3.127 inches tall. Even the micrometer does not provide an exact measurement. Some scientific measuring tool may be able to measure the stack to 10 decimal places. To my ears misusing these tow words sounds as awkward as asking “How much people came to your party.” or “How many water can you fit in that jug?” I know I am too sensitive to the use of these tow words, but is there any basis for the distinction I hold so dear?

1:37pm

2009/03/03

I think the quick answer is that for non-technical purposes, the words mean the same thing.

In my field, we sometimes perform Measurement System Analysis (MSA). In MSA, we analyze the measurement system by three related categories: resolution, precision, and accuracy. Resolution reflects the smallest unit that can be measured by the available measurement system. Precision means a very specific thing which breaks out into two factors: repeatability and reproducibility. Accuracy breaks out into three factors: bias, stability, and linearity.

It sounds like your personal definition of precision gets mixed in with resolution.

I am a bit confused by your example with a stack of paper. Are you saying that you object to “It is exactly three and an eighth inches tall” but you are OK with “It is precisely three and an eighth inches tall”?

5:11am

2009/03/03

I love it.

That is the point of MSA’s focus on resolution. You want the resolution to be appropriate to the variation (or the desired, tolerable variation) in the process, around 10-20 divisions within the normal distribution. Lower resolution, and you can’t see significant variation; higher resolution and you get a lot of “noise.”

It seems like Wes bases the use of *exact *or *precise *on the discreet vs. continuous quality of the thing being measured. This would be something like the proscribed uses of *few *vs. *less*:

**fewer **than 10 items;

**less **than 10 ounces.

However, I have never heard of any such grammatical distinction for the words *exact *vs. *precise*. But for Wes, you can use *exact *only where some say we should use *few*, and you can use *precise *only where some say we should use *less*.

10:52pm

2010/05/18

I can answer this from the physics point of view. This all comes under the heading of “uncertainty” wherein the terms “exact” and “precise” have scientific definitions, in use for about as long as science.

To say that a device or measurement is “precise” means that it delivers more significant figures (digits in a measurement for which the values are certain). For example, if you use a caliper to measure the thickness of a dime, you might get 0.14 cm. If you use a micrometer you could get 0.1355 cm. The micrometer is the more precise device, and it delivers more precise measurements.

“Exact” to my mind implies “accurate,” and here again we have a definition. The “accuracy” of device or measurement is a measure of its error (compared to the true value), usually expressed as a percent. If you measure the speed of sound as 350 m/s, when the actual value is 340 m/s, your accuracy is 3%. I suppose you could also say your “exactness” is 3%. You could also say your error is 3%.

A high quality caliper might be rated as “accurate to 0.1%” and a cheap plastic one as “accurate to 1%” (even if they have the same precision).

One would expect that, in general, higher precision devices are also higher accuracy. Usually they are. But with a shoddy manufacturing run, bad design, or physical malfunction, the opposite can be true.

8:40pm

2009/04/28

Your example of whether something is countable reminds me of the discussions about “fewer” and “less.”

Let me avoid the words “exact” and “precise” for a moment and mention a situation where one or the other might apply. (This may be similar to other situations already mentioned.)

In statistics, two numbers with a different number of decimal places (for example, .01 and .010) would have slightly different meanings, even though they may have the same value in ordinary terms. (In stats, the word “significant” has a specific meaning, so I will avoid that term as well for the purposes of this discussion.)

Example: For actual values of .009 and .012,

> Using the first format, accurate to within one hundredth of a unit, these would appear as .01 and .01 in a journal article.

> Using the second format, accurate to within one thousandth of a unit, these would appear as .009 or .012 in a journal article.

So, given two numbers, .01 and .001, would you say…

> the two have EXACTly the same value? Or PRECISEly the same value?

> the second format is more EXACT? Or more PRECISE?

10:50am

2010/05/18

If you’re asking about 0.009 and 0.012, using the terminology I was taught in science, I would say:

> the two have the same value (or equal values) to 2 significant figures. I would not need to use the terms “exact” or “precise” to convey that information. In fact, using either would be at best redundant.

I believe your second question refers to 0.01 vs. 0.001. If so, I would say:

> the second number is more “precise.” Whether it is more “accurate” is a separate question. (see my previous post).

9:27am

2011/08/19

The difference between exact and accurate is not simply a mater of a continuous or discrete variable. Any number that is deduced from a measurement (instead of counting) has some error associated with it and cannot be considered exact. Even counting may not be exact if there is a possibility of missing members of the group, such as in a national census. The area of a 3 – 4 – 5 triangle is exactly 6, since this is a mathematical truth, despite area being a continuous property. Likewise the speed of light is exactly 299,792,458 meters per second, as this is how the meter is defined.

10:02pm

2010/05/18

**Heimhenge said: **

Statisticians do indeed assign an uncertainty even to simple counting, as in a random poll. If the number of peopled polled is N, then the uncertainty is +/- the square root of N.

Maybe this is a bit of a nitpick, but the pollster’s counting is exact–it is his inference that his poll reflects the results from a larger population that has the uncertainty.

Emmett

5:59am

2009/03/03

I fear we may be getting stuck here. It seems we have a question about two common words, and we, myself included, have found several specialized uses of these words. The specialized uses may have little to do with one another or with the common words themselves. I’m not sure we will come up with only one universal distinction between *exact* and *precise* that encompasses both the common uses and all specialized uses.

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