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1:36PM Jan-30-10
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Post edited 4:47PM – Feb-01-10 by Grant Barrett
For the final word on grammar, many writers turn to the , the online send-up that features such sage journalistic advice “The plural of apostrophe is ‘apostrophe’s.’” Grant and Martha share some favorite “rules” from that guide. Also this week: Why are offices and apartments named after landscapes and wildlife that are nowhere to be seen? Is it correct to use the phrase a whole nother? And what’s the difference, if any, between a naturalist and a biologist?
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Grant and Martha share some of their favorite tweets from , the Twitter feed that tweaks journalistic style and tropes, such as “Do not change weight of gorilla in phrase, ‘800-lb gorilla in the room.’ Correct weight is 800 lbs. DO NOT CHANGE GORILLA’S WEIGHT!”
Natural names for unnatural objects. Why do subdivisions and office complexes have names invoking landscapes and animals that don’t exist there? A Fort Wayne, Indiana, listener got to wondering about this after passing the “Bay View Apartments” in her hometown: there's not a bay in sight. Here’s the Billy Collins poem on that topic, “.”
What’s happening linguistically when someone’s using the second-person singular possessive in a list of items? A Charlottesville, Virginia, caller began wondering that recently after hearing a wood-flooring salesperson say, “You got your maple, you got your cherry, you got your oak…”
Quiz Guy John Chaneski has a game featuring “Tom Swifties,” those sentences that include a self-referentially funny adverb, such this one: “‘Ow! You guys really know how to hurt a vampire,’ Tom said _____________.”
A Chicago man says he was caught up short when he caught himself writing the words a whole nother. Is nother really a word? The book Grant recommends on the topic is , by Bill Brohaugh.
Anyone ever hear the expression “Thinkers uppers, thinkers it”? It means “If you’re going to mention something that should be done, then do it yourself.”
Riddle time! What English word can have four of its five letters removed and still retain its original pronunciation?
A man who takes daily walks in the woods of upstate New York wants a word for the whooshing of the pines high above their heads. The hosts suggest the Latin-based word .
Martha and Grant share listeners’ emails about language changes in the mouths of train conductors and military drill instructors.
What does the O’ in Irish names like O’Malley or O’Riley mean?
What’s the difference, if any, between a naturalist and a biologist? Naturalists do it with their clothes off and biologists do it under a microscope? (Kidding!)
Grant talks about the new slang term, , as in “The fanboys get off on zaprudering the invite to the Apple product-release press conference.”
A group of student architects who want their acronym to be CASA have a question. Is it more grammatical to call it the Chicano Architecture Student Association or Chicano Architectural Student Association?
Grant shares some odd high school team mascot names, including the Wooden Shoes and the Battling Bathers.
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3:27PM Jan-31-10
| bizdean
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"Nnnn," Tom murmured forensically.
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4:50PM Jan-31-10
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"Let me know when the Bishop makes his move," said Tom, obliquely.
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11:18AM Feb-01-10
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"Archie, we…need to talk," said Veronica expectantly.
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11:23AM Feb-01-10
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For the gentleman who called in looking for a word describing the sound the wind makes through pine trees, you suggested "susurration." The entire time you were leading up to the word, I expected you to give him "soughing." Mostly because he described the sound as a moan or groan, then switched it to a sustained "whoosh."
I've seen 'soughing' a lot to describe that sound, but oddly, I don't think I've ever HEARD it spoken. I was surprised to find it rhymes with "sow" (as in female pig, not plant) and not "stuff."
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1:12PM Feb-01-10
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Oops!. Did I hear someone saying "these kind" in this episode. Should be this kind, these kinds or these.
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1:27PM Feb-01-10
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Post edited 1:28PM – Feb-01-10 by Glenn
I have been collecting some bilingual Tom Swifties, that involve calques or faux amis.
"I remember how to say ocean in French, but I forget how you say wave," said Peter vaguely.
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3:54PM Feb-01-10
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"I got the first three wrong," he said forthrightly.
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9:13PM Feb-01-10
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Hey, I recorded a segment with M&G three years ago on the whole "whole nother" thing… maybe I wasn't interesting enough
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9:45PM Feb-01-10
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"It is precisely one hour till the new year in Madrid" declared Martha once.
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9:25AM Feb-02-10
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While I admire the resourcefulness of anyone who can come up with as elegant a word as "susurration" to describe the breeze in the trees, Longfellow was content to use the less esoteric "murmuring pines and the hemlocks."
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5:15PM Feb-02-10
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Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out the trees, then names the streets after them. – Bill Vaughan
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3:13AM Feb-03-10
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Best Tom Swiftie I ever heard was:
"The prisoner is coming down the stairs", Tom said condescendingly.
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5:46AM Feb-03-10
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I have only heard sough pronounced suff, but apparently that's not the whole story: it can be a female pig or to scatter seeds. The latter two pronunciations are not very apt for the sound of wind through needles; nor, to my ear, is murmur, which seems too vocal. I've known and loved susurration since I was a young kid, but I have to agree that esoteric might not be too strong categorization. I live among spruce trees these days, and the wind sounds quite different from the leafier region of my youth, where I believe it fizzed.
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6:32AM Feb-03-10
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Re: CASA, architecture vs. architectural
This reminds me of a battle I fight fairly often: in a stage production, is the person in charge of the singing and playing the musical director or the music director? I maintain that music director is correct, as the fact that the person is in charge of music does not necessarily mean that he or she has talent. If I understand CASA correctly, it is an association of students of Chicano architecture, and the name is not intended to imply that the student is Chicano. The two adjectives Chicano and Architectural could be construed as both modifying Student, whereas Chicano Architecture is somewhat less ambiguously a building style rather than a student's ethnicity. Neither is flawlessly clear, and Grant is right, you have to go with what sounds right to you, or what makes the music(al) director happy.
Peter
PS: It occurs to me that I hit a problem when I get to the artistic director: art director is not the same thing. Oh, my.
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9:17AM Feb-04-10
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Post edited 5:51PM – Feb-05-10 by Glenn
Regarding CASA, for me the deciding point for the architecture / architectural question is that it is the academic subject of Architecture that it refers to.
You got your Philosophy students. (You also have philosophical students, who may not be Philosophy students.)
You got your Art students. (You also have artistic students, who may not be Art students.)
You got your History students. (You also have historical students, who may not have been History students.)
You got your Biology students. (You also have biological students, who mat not be Biology students.)
You got your Chinese students. (You also have Chinese students, who may not be Chinese students.)
OK, so it might break down a bit with language vs. nationality.
But my point is that if the adjective refers to the academic subject, it should be Architecture, and not architectural. This group is for Architecture students, if I understand correctly.
As for Tom Swifties of the purely(?) English language variety:
"Dese folks got da best place for brew, beer nuts, and brawlin'," bellowed Tom disjointly.
"I'd like to lead us in a prayer for peace," offered Tom amenably.
"Sorry, but I'm sick of these lavish year-end celebrations!" groaned Tom bashfully.
"As I boy, I couldn't even recite the months without stuttering," divulged Tom jejunely.
“Robotic pets, like my Poo-Chi here, are the wave of the future,” predicted Tom dogmatically.
“All my hair is falling out!” she gasped distressingly.
“Oh, yeah, and change this font from italic to upright,” added Tom excursively.
“Charlatan! Dissembler! Mountebank! Rogue!” decried Tom euphoniously.
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8:24PM Feb-05-10
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Re: the naturalist vs. biologist question…
One thing to be aware of is that 'naturalist' and 'naturalism' are already well-entrenched terms in philosophy (my own field), and they do not at all suggest the meaning the contemporary biologists in question want it to have. So I would hope that they think twice before reappropriating the term, in order to avoid cross-disciplinary confusion.
But then again, concern for linguists never stopped biologists from using the word 'morphology'.
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5:06AM Feb-07-10
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“Charlatan! Dissembler! Mountebank! Rogue!” decried Tom euphoniously.
Oh, Glenn, I so want that to be mine.
Peter
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6:29AM Feb-07-10
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"Death panels will decide that these people will die," said Tom fatalistically.
"How about an after-dinner drink?" offered Tom cordially.
"I'm not going to evangelize the rest of the neighborhood," concluded Tom distractedly.
"That stuff will spoil this juniper beverage," allowed Tom marginally.
"We should support this part of the bill," advocated Tom proportionally.
"I'm studying the Confederate officer who surrendered at Appomattox," announced Tom generally.
"You sound just like my dog," snarled Tom roughly.
"I never watch more than one-third of a hockey game," explained Tom periodically.
"I'm not dead," retorted Tom quickly.
"I do feel sorry for myself and my family," leaked Tom porously.
"We have a block of salt on the bar," declared Tom publicly.
"I'm getting a little cross," warned Tom rudely.
Must be bedtime.
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10:42PM Feb-07-10
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"The glass is half full," Jill said, optimistically. "No, it's half empty," Jack pessimisticly said.
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3:42AM Feb-08-10
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EmmettRedd said:
"The glass is half full," Jill said, optimistically. "No, it's half empty," Jack pessimisticly said.
Not that it has anything to do with the subject at hand, but here's the .sig file I've been using on Usenet lately:
A pessimist sees the glass as half empty.
An optometrist asks whether you see the glass
more full like this?…or like this?
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8:34AM Feb-08-10
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Post edited 9:50AM – Feb-08-10 by Glenn
tromboniator said:
Oh, Glenn, I so want that to be mine.
I am honored.
OK. I'll make a deal. All nonprofit use of my Swifties will go unchallenged. I will not attempt to refute your claims of authorship. However, if the writing and publication of Tom Swifties should become a lucrative occupation, and I discover someone has won $1000 prize, or the like, with this, or any of my Swifties, I will sic a lawyer on them like a hellhound.
"The social order of Dante’s time inspired his ideas of hierarchy in hell,” inferred Tom demonstratively.
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4:34PM Feb-08-10
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… and the downsizing engineer says, "Looks like you have twice as much glass as you need."
"A word that contains all five vowels? And I suppose you want those vowels to appear in alphabetical order?" asked Tom facetiously.
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4:58PM Feb-08-10
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Post edited 5:39PM – Feb-08-10 by EmmettRedd
"Mary, you are having His baby," exclaimed Elizabeth, enthusiastically. (" " said Zechariah dumbly.)
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11:43AM Feb-10-10
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As for the CASA question:
How about the American Historical Society or the Americal Psychological Association?
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2:33PM Feb-10-10
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Eek! Where's my post from yesterday? Moderator pull it because of my tongue-in-cheek attempt at identity theft? Oh, well, the important part was…
Glenn: "See you in court," Tom retorted suitably.
I'll happily give proper attribution, as accurately as I'm able, any time I use it. I'm too smuggly proud of my own puns ever knowingly to steal someone else's (someone's else?).
Peter
P.S.: "Look out–your tea is hot," Tom warned precipitously.
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10:34PM Feb-10-10
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Post edited 10:35PM – Feb-10-10 by Shelterdogg
"We'll get across the Sahara when Hell freezes over," Tom said dryly.
"We'd better reach the summit of McKinley before that big storm moves in," Tom said expeditiously.
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3:33PM Feb-12-10
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ANOTHER, THE OTHER – I think some children have trouble distinguishing the word "other," especially when preceded by "an" or "the" (usually pronounced THEE when followed by a vowel sound). For example, I've heard these pronunciations:
ADULT: "Do you want this book or the other one?"
CHILD: "I want thuh yother one." (And the "y" was emphasized.)
ADULT: "When you finish this cookie, you may have another."
CHILD: "I ate it. Now can I have a nother one?" (And the "n" was emphasized.)
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4:35PM Feb-12-10
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Post edited 12:01PM – Feb-24-10 by Glenn
“For fifty bucks, I’ll blow your mind,” trilled Trixie fallaciously.
"Here, in the Lou, ya know, Gateway City, we all, hell yeah, support, come on, the team, like, with, damn right, iced out rings, chains, and grillz, ay," muttered Tom ramblingly.
johng423 said:
"A word that contains all five vowels? And I suppose you want those vowels to appear in alphabetical order?" asked Tom facetiously.
"There is another answer to your word puzzle," submitted Tom abstemiously.
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8:16AM Mar-02-10
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Post edited 8:23AM – Mar-02-10 by papennat
"I've been on the lake all day and haven't caught a thing," complained Bob deficiently.
"You betcha, we're gunna lift America's spirits, tax cuts, so, ya know, but mavericks – under attack, liberal media right there," said Sarah appallingly.
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5:52PM Mar-02-10
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Post edited 5:55PM – Mar-02-10 by Glenn
In deference to Martha's penchant for Tom Swifties that are 99% adverb free:
"Hold on to this banister, or you might fall!" Tom railed.
"It's OK, Hooch: you have a home now," Tom expounded.
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4:16PM Mar-06-10
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I eat one bowl after another, Tom said serially.
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8:26PM Mar-06-10
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Another adverb free Tom Swiftie: "That brings tears to my eyes," Tom cried.
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6:57PM Mar-13-10
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(Glenn) I have been collecting some bilingual Tom Swifties, that involve calques or faux amis.
"It is precisely one hour till the new year in Madrid" declared Martha once.
There's probably a good one using "dos" as in the old computer operating system, but I can't come up with it right now.
BTW, I recall my brother telling me the trouble he had in junior high French class. When he saw the words "mon oncle" (my uncle), he thought of the English word "once" so he pronounced the phrase "monn once-L".
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10:19PM Mar-14-10
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Post edited 10:35PM – Mar-14-10 by johng423
Tom Swifties – I can't stop thinking about 'em. I think I'm addicted. The adverb-free version seemed to be more of a challenge, so that's what I've working on:
"Three days in the belly of a fish!" Jonah wailed.
"Don't let the string go slack," Tom taught.
"Better than a diamond – he gave me an oil well!" she gushed.
"He thinks his car is so fast, it can break the sound barrier," Tom mocked.
"Strike three!" the umpire called out.
"The price of gold is up; the price of silver is down," Tom announced.
"Wow! Look at that jet!" the pilot leered.
"I got the first round draft pick," proclaimed the manager.
"All right, I'll go to Ash Wednesday services again this year," Tom relented.
"Her perfume makes me sneeze," Tom accused.
"If you do a web search but spell it wrong, the results are pretty funny," she giggled.
"I know the rule: 'A second reference requires a second footnote,' " Tom recited.
"All you've done is doodle while I was baking cookies," she snickered.
"Damn dogs!" Max cursed.
"I'm the one arranged the party for the inmates," Tom confessed.
"You can't mark outside the boxes on your answer sheet," the proctor informed them.
"I don't need a drug screening," the player protested.
"I just got a second glass of that sweet red wine," Rosie reported.
"I gave her so much in the divorce, I can list her as a deduction on my tax return!" exclaimed Tom.
"Something must have happened right before the car accelerated," Tom presumed.
"Just remember this one rule: You can wear white only between Memorial Day and Labor Day," Blanche summarized.
I need help with French: so close, yet so far . . .
"I can't spell the French word – just write 'appetizer,' " Tom ordered.
"This isn't just your average creme-filled donut stick," Pierre eclaired (uh, I wanted to use "declared").
Can't choose – or maybe need a new idea . . .
1a "Back then, this whole area was flat," Tom explained.
1b "I used to fly a lot… but not any more," Tom explained.
2a "Cows don't say much either," Tom mumbled.
2b "There's no such thing as a 'daddy' cow," Tom mumbled.
What about if it's within the quotation itself? I wrote it down anyhow.
"She convinced me to trade my smooth leather handbag for one with a nappier surface, and now I'm persuaded."
Last real one:
"There's the exit," Tom pointed out.
(That's my cue . . .)
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