v.— «Senator McClure.…We have some that were used since the days of the covered wagon out there that are still used by ranchers in the area and have been ever since they had wheeled vehicles.…Yet the BLM says they’re not roads—that is a wilderness area. Secretary Andrus. I would suggest, Senator, that what you’re referring to is not the definition of “roads,” but a cherry-stemming effect around those areas. But it does it does make it very difficult to determine if a road is a roadless area of 5,000 acres or more. Senator McClure. I don’t know what you mean by “cherry-stemming.” Secretary Andrus. They run the road around with a— Senator McClure. Oh, you mean the designation of boundaries. Secretary Andrus. Yes. Senator McCLure. Obviously, if there is a road, how can you cherry-stem that in order to get 5,000 acres?…Secretary Andrus. I have not been a proponent of cherry-stemming myself, but it does go on. But our definition of roads used by a rancher is pretty broad, where they’re going out to even maintain a water trough and it has been done in a mechanical way.» —“Hearings Before a Subcommittee of the Committee on Appropriations…on H.R. 7724, Part 1″ by United States Senate Department of the Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations for Fiscal year 1981 (Washington, D.C.) Feb. 19, 1980. (source: Double-Tongued Dictionary)

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